Ahhhh frames!

Red Squirrel · Post by **Red Squirrel** » Wed Feb 09, 2005 4:01 pm

I was updating my resume and it had a site I made as volunteer work http://www.labattsonice.250x.com/

Notice that it uses frames, and that it has background music.

Yes, I made that.

Man, how my web design skills have improved.

I don't even know if I want that on me resume. Probably should remove it.

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Pyr-O-Rgasm · Post by **Pyr-O-Rgasm** » Wed Feb 09, 2005 9:09 pm

What do you mean it uses frames? Are frames a bad thing?

Like an I-Frame? I-Frames are t3h ub3r 1337||355. Like the dancing banana.

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Red Squirrel · Post by **Red Squirrel** » Wed Feb 09, 2005 10:34 pm

Iframes are ok, and can be used for good causes such as the ad on top (makes it easier to code the ad rotator since noneed to edit each template it's in) but actual frames are usually considered evil. But at least on that site I had done the right thing of removing the default gray border.

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Pyr-O-Rgasm · Post by **Pyr-O-Rgasm** » Wed Feb 09, 2005 11:58 pm

I like I-Frames for the content of a site. That way you can scroll through alot of content without leaving the nav bar.

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manadren_it · Post by **manadren_it** » Thu Feb 10, 2005 11:02 am

I'm kinda with Red on this one. For ad banners and such, iFrames are great, but they can get kinda annoying with the content of the site. Particularly when you're running 1280x1024, or 1600x1200 and some website designer thinks it so cool to squeeze an entire web page down into some little 640x480 box in the middle of the page, plastered with iframes, so you have to scroll some direction or another to read every other word. Frames are to be used very sparingly, period.

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Pyr-O-Rgasm · Post by **Pyr-O-Rgasm** » Thu Feb 10, 2005 7:38 pm

I am just the opposite. I HATE ads and banners in IFrames. As I'm scrolling down the page to see the rest of whatever I'm looking at, and an ad is a bit bigger then the frame it's in and it keeps scrolling that instead of the site. Anyways, you make the IFrame big enough so you only have to scroll down. I just personally believe it looks better and is more convienant for a site with a bunch of links in the Nav bar.

Wait, an ENTIRE site in the IFrame? I'm just speaking of the main content, all the graphics and layout would go on the OUTSIDE.

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Joe_it · Post by **Joe_it** » Fri Feb 11, 2005 7:57 pm

Pyr-O-Rgasm wrote: I am just the opposite. I HATE ads and banners in IFrames. As I'm scrolling down the page to see the rest of whatever I'm looking at, and an ad is a bit bigger then the frame it's in and it keeps scrolling that instead of the site. Anyways, you make the IFrame big enough so you only have to scroll down. I just personally believe it looks better and is more convienant for a site with a bunch of links in the Nav bar.

Wait, an ENTIRE site in the IFrame? I'm just speaking of the main content, all the graphics and layout would go on the OUTSIDE.

I'm with you here, i like frames they make designing the site easier. Iframes keep everything tidy and spaced nice.

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rovingcowboy · Post by **rovingcowboy** » Fri Feb 11, 2005 11:09 pm

i dont like iframes as they remind me of pop ups.

but i do like to view nicely layed out frame sites. provieded they dont try and keep you in their main frame set page.
it is easy enough to add in a code to close your frames when some one leaves your site but most everyone is to lazy to do that.

i use to have a site with frames on but got rid of it when i had to move to smaller host limits. and then they started the page banners on every page so the frames only keep the ads there if on a free host.

but i know iframes are useful for some things just what i am unsure as i cant make them? that is just a little past my skill. then maybe since i dont like them that is keeping me from knowing how to make them?

to answer you qustion red.

yes leave it on the resume with a note telling them that it is the first page you did.

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Chris Vogel · Post by **Chris Vogel** » Sat Feb 12, 2005 12:56 am

rovingcowboy wrote: yes leave it on the resume with a note telling them that it is the first page you did.

I disagree. I think Red should advertise his current skill, not the skill he had years ago. If you feel that you don’t have enough current work to add to your portfolio, I’m pretty sure it’s okay to create fake Web pages.

To give your page credit, it’s easy to read and navigate.

You have clearly improved though. When did you first start Web designing?

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Red Squirrel · Post by **Red Squirrel** » Sat Feb 12, 2005 1:11 am

hmm good question, I guess a few years ago, given that was made in 2002. So I probably started in like 2001 with the geocities page builder thiny then "upgraded" to frontpage and then another WYSIWYG then suddently convinced myself to just code by hand, and now I code all by hand. that particular site was made in web express if I remember well, that's the program I used to use before (or after, I forget) frontpage.

Now I use winsyntax, which is a text editor.

And yep that's a big upgrade.

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rovingcowboy · Post by **rovingcowboy** » Sat Feb 12, 2005 8:17 am

yep i can see where you would think that tak.

but i am also thinking along the lines that a fake page could be seen as a lie by potintal employers.

and a really used page with hits on no matter how bad it looks will be recived better

then fake pages with no hits on.

that will give them an idea of how good or bad your page coding will be in keeping the visitors on site and looking around.

yep red you started around 2000/2001 as that is when you first showed up in that non liked fourm and started to get blamed for hacking it. when it was not you.

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Pyr-O-Rgasm · Post by **Pyr-O-Rgasm** » Sun Feb 13, 2005 3:50 pm

rovingcowboy wrote: i dont like iframes as they remind me of pop ups.

but i do like to view nicely layed out frame sites. provieded they dont try and keep you in their main frame set page.
it is easy enough to add in a code to close your frames when some one leaves your site but most everyone is to lazy to do that.

i use to have a site with frames on but got rid of it when i had to move to smaller host limits. and then they started the page banners on every page so the frames only keep the ads there if on a free host.

but i know iframes are useful for some things just what i am unsure as i cant make them? that is just a little past my skill. then maybe since i dont like them that is keeping me from knowing how to make them?

to answer you qustion red.

yes leave it on the resume with a note telling them that it is the first page you did.

What the hell? Pop-ups? The IFrame I'm talking about isn't a popup. It doesn't popup. It is nothing like a popup. It is just a frame normally near the center of the page where the content goes. And it acts as it's own page so you can scroll through lots of content, but never have to leave the navigation and stuff like that.

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