Turing...

Anonymous · Post by **Anonymous** » Thu Jan 06, 2005 7:09 pm

Im just a poor boy nobody loves me........ well people love me but i am poor

so if anyone could tell me were to get turing or another good programming program for free i would greatly appreciate it. thnx

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Death · Post by **Death** » Thu Jan 06, 2005 7:16 pm

Kazaa? Do you have a file sharing program? I'm sure you can find it there. Or, if you're lucky, your teacher can give it to you (If you are in programming).

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Anonymous · Post by **Anonymous** » Thu Jan 06, 2005 8:14 pm

I've tried to get it from the Board of ed. but they refused me

oh well... im trying to learn C++ to so like i said any programs that have a help and will allow me to write in it such as turing... id greatly appreciate it.

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wtd · Post by **wtd** » Thu Jan 06, 2005 8:19 pm

Any one of the following languages have good compilers or interpreters (sometimes both) available free for download.

Haskell
Ruby
Python
Perl
O'Caml
Ada 95
Java
C#
C
C++
Objective-C
Eiffel
Pascal
Oberon
Pike

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wtd · Post by **wtd** » Thu Jan 06, 2005 8:21 pm

nilloc wrote: I've tried to get it from the Board of ed. but they refused me oh well... im trying to learn C++ to so like i said any programs that have a help and will allow me to write in it such as turing... id greatly appreciate it.

Use command-line tools. The experience will pay off for years, and you won't spend all of your time figuring out which button to click.

And don't start with C++. It's a big, complex, scary language where bugs can be very subtle and hard to find.

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Red Squirrel · Post by **Red Squirrel** » Thu Jan 06, 2005 8:24 pm

Actually I started with C++ and I find it was good in a way since when I learned php it was like nothing as the syntax is very similar. visual basic is a joke, we're doing that in college now. (we may actually be allowed to use if statements soon lol but I prefer the C++ way of doing them)

But yes C++ is more scary then languages like turing and the "word" based ones. (ex: if then instead of { )

I personally find IDE type compilers better since I tend to store files in large paths with long file names making command line tools a pain to use in that situation, but that's just a preference. But command line tools tend to have better performance so I encourage using it too even though I don't.

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wtd · Post by **wtd** » Thu Jan 06, 2005 8:28 pm

Syntax isn't the issue, though it is a problem.

Consider linker errors, for instance. You write a program that compiles fine, but then you get some cryptic hexidecimal error message. That doesn't serve a beginner at all.

As for big long filenames... that's why tab completion is a beautiful thing.

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Red Squirrel · Post by **Red Squirrel** » Thu Jan 06, 2005 8:36 pm

What's tab completion?

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wtd · Post by **wtd** » Thu Jan 06, 2005 8:39 pm

Red Squirrel wrote: What's tab completion?

Type the first few letters of a file or directory (folder) name, and hit tab. As long as there aren't several options that fit that criteria, it'll write out the rest of the name for you.

If this isn't enabled, you can do so with TweakUI.

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Red Squirrel · Post by **Red Squirrel** » Thu Jan 06, 2005 9:05 pm

Does it work in win2k's cmd.exe? Since if I hit tab it just does a tab. I typed cd d:prog [tab] (folder is programmingprocessing(other folders))but did not work, is that what I do?

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wtd · Post by **wtd** » Thu Jan 06, 2005 9:14 pm

Yes, but as mentioned it's a hidden setting that you can set in TweakUI.

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Red Squirrel · Post by **Red Squirrel** » Thu Jan 06, 2005 9:16 pm

Oh I see. I'll know next time I need to compile something with command line, if I decide to switch to a different compiler... now that I think of it I have not programmed any application language in a long time. Only php which is server side scripting and not something you can use to build actual applications.

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wtd · Post by **wtd** » Thu Jan 06, 2005 9:31 pm

Of course you can use PHP to write "actual aplications". There's no fundamental difference between server-side programming and client-side. It's all just data structures, functions, procedures, input, output, etc.

PHP's a bad language, but it's not enough just to know which tools to use. You have to understand why those tools are ideal.

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Red Squirrel · Post by **Red Squirrel** » Thu Jan 06, 2005 9:57 pm

By application I meant something that you can run on a system, php is basically run then stop. Give it some parameters etc then run the script then it stops. While with C++ and what not you can have a window or console, multithreading, interactione etc...

But I'm sure it would be possible to use php in application design, off a server. I know you can get a special library so you can actually run php scripts on a server the same way you would run a bash script so I'm sure there's even more you can do.

I've been too constrained on php though I need to learn more C++ and maybe even another language.

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wtd · Post by **wtd** » Thu Jan 06, 2005 10:07 pm

Red Squirrel wrote: By application I meant something that you can run on a system, php is basically run then stop.

Same way any other program works.

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