Animal Rights

Stasi · Post by **Stasi** » Mon Mar 05, 2007 1:28 pm

What are animal rights? What 'rights' should animals have? Is it morally wrong to eat meat?

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Reaper · Post by **Reaper** » Wed Mar 07, 2007 4:50 pm

Animals don't have rights. They deserve to be treated humanely.

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Stasi · Post by **Stasi** » Wed Mar 07, 2007 8:57 pm

Then wouldn't an animal have a 'right' to be treated humanely? And if so, to what extent do we treat animals humanely? By not farming and eating them? Disallowing any and all experimentation to be conducted on them?

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Stasi · Post by **Stasi** » Tue Mar 13, 2007 1:55 am

Furthermore, if animals have a 'right to life', or if their lives are of similar value to human lives, to what extent should humans force carnivorous animals to go vegetarian, etc.?

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Clueless · Post by **Clueless** » Tue Mar 13, 2007 4:06 pm

i think its more like it's our responsibility to take care of the animals than its their "right" to be treated humanely

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flowergirlajg · Post by **flowergirlajg** » Mon Mar 26, 2007 5:39 pm

am i supposed to be following this??

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Stasi · Post by **Stasi** » Thu Mar 29, 2007 10:18 am

What?

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Clueless · Post by **Clueless** » Thu Mar 29, 2007 3:55 pm

huh?

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flowergirlajg · Post by **flowergirlajg** » Thu Apr 12, 2007 6:45 pm

say WHAT?

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Stasi · Post by **Stasi** » Fri Apr 27, 2007 4:10 am

This goes right along with the topic of this post....

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manadren · Post by **manadren** » Fri Apr 27, 2007 10:21 pm

Animal right aren't so much about animals as they are about humans. You don't punish a wolf because it kills a rabbit. But if a cat dies because the human who took it in didn't feed it, that's a different story.

Animal rights are concerned with how humans treat animals, in the sense of how we assign them rights. If a rabbit has an innate right to live, that right is assigned by the rabbit and really doesn't mean squat to us or the wolf trying to eat him.

The nature of life is that things die, it's just that as humans we have the ability to be cruel, to torture, and to kill without reason. Animal rights, in the sense humans observe them, is about curbing the ability of us to be cruel to other species. And in that sense it is a human morality that decides what is cruel and what is not. In my mind that means killing only when necessary and with purpose (like food or personal safety) while trying best to limit the pain of the animal. Cruelty and negligence serve no purpose.

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Stasi · Post by **Stasi** » Sat Apr 28, 2007 12:29 am

Touche. The initial reason I started this thread was because of a brief discussion with an animal rights activist/supporter who at least sympathizes with the likes of ALF. But I think you stated one side of the issue very well (the side I agree with). I don't believe that there is anything meaningful way to applying human-style rights to animals, as they are lower on the food chain and may therefore have their lives ended prematurely for our consumption. Some groups are violently opposed to eating meat at all on the grounds that it is immoral to "exploit" animals for food, etc. I believe in treating animals humanely, but not in treating them as though they are on the same humanistic level as human beings.

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GodIsYourself · Post by **GodIsYourself** » Tue May 01, 2007 9:39 pm

Its nature to have people kill animals and eat them, animals in the wild dont kill thier victims slowly and painfully in humane ways as far as I know. They kill to eat not for fun. Humans are different, some kill for pleasure for whatever reason, they kill them in cheap ways, unhumane ways. There is a right and wrong way to raise livestock. The wrong way is keeping them chained down to keep them tender. It just sick, you dont like the way your meat it dont get it. As people get more "civilized", they get more uncivilized.

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TheRat · Post by **TheRat** » Wed May 02, 2007 4:18 pm

Humans kill animals for survival, other then giving them freedom, what possible rights can we give to animals?

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Stasi · Post by **Stasi** » Wed May 02, 2007 10:09 pm

A lot of that depends on how you define a "right".

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Red Squirrel · Post by **Red Squirrel** » Thu May 03, 2007 12:38 pm

GodIsYourself wrote: Its nature to have people kill animals and eat them, animals in the wild dont kill thier victims slowly and painfully in humane ways as far as I know. They kill to eat not for fun. Humans are different, some kill for pleasure for whatever reason, they kill them in cheap ways, unhumane ways. There is a right and wrong way to raise livestock. The wrong way is keeping them chained down to keep them tender. It just sick, you dont like the way your meat it dont get it. As people get more "civilized", they get more uncivilized.

True I've heard horrors about how some farms are setup. It's sickning. The slaughter process is not the most humane either. Chickens for example are boiled alive to remove the feathers, cows are often hung and skinned alive, etc. Killing for food is a natural process, but the way we do it is very unnatural. The only good part about this is we raise them for that purpose, so we're not screwing with the animals in nature. At least, this goes for most animals. Wales,fish, etc is a different story and we've already made lot of various animal species go instinct because of that. I think now the awareness is more there and mass hunts are more regulated, at least I hope, I could be wrong on this. I know Canada has that seal hunt which everyone in and out of Canada is against.

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