Death

Anonymous · Post by **Anonymous** » Fri Oct 01, 2004 4:13 pm

For my part, I believe that if you do wicked deeds in life, you will be punished accordingly in life, but if you have been deserving of it, a Hell waits for you. No brimstone and fire, but rather a dark scary place.
No one knows what the afterlife is like, but it is said to be better than earth.
I think you may choose to be reborn or to stay in the afterlife as long as you choose.

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Chris Vogel · Post by **Chris Vogel** » Fri Oct 01, 2004 4:38 pm

Je ne sais pas. I’ll just have to wait and see.

However, I hope there is something nice.

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FloodG8-9595 · Post by **FloodG8-9595** » Fri Oct 01, 2004 4:40 pm

Good question.. I;ve thought about this a bit and have yet to come to an actual conclusion for myself... it may be a little of all of it.. Your idea of being able to choose has crossed my mind before. I wouldn't mind that being the case though of corse I can never be sure.

There are some studies into "Instrumental Trascommunication" :The use of electronic equipmetn to get messages and images from non physical beings. An offsshoot of EVP (Electronic Voice Phemoenon). They claim to have very normal and cordial communications with people who have "passed on" through Phone, computer and Television as well as other devices not so everyday known. They also claim that it is difficult for them to communicate with them because the world in which they exist (while existing in the same space) is quite a bit less dense than our own. So it would be more of a sort of Accention if you will in this case to a less dense world... They also have communication with the "beings" which watch over this relm and assist us in death. I don't have the information in front of me or I'd elaborate further on what was said as it was really interesting..

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Red Squirrel · Post by **Red Squirrel** » Fri Oct 01, 2004 4:43 pm

There is an afterlife, either hell or heven. Took 7 days to make Earth and not counting the damage humans are doing to it, it's a very incredible planet. Heaven is being "renovated" since day 1, so imagine how nice and incredible of a place it will be by the time we get there.

Hell will be a dark place where you burn, but don't die (you're already dead) and you're alone, and hear everyone else screem but they can't do anything for you and you can't do anything for them.

I used to think when you die you come back as a different animal but that's not the case, but in a way would be kind of neat, especially if you can remember you're otherlife. So if you're like a bird and you're 500 feet in the air you'd think "when I was a human, I could not pull this off" (then you end up in a plane engine and come back as a worm or something LOL)

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Anonymous · Post by **Anonymous** » Fri Oct 01, 2004 4:45 pm

Red Squirrel wrote: Heven will be a dark place where you burn, but don't die (you're already dead) and you're alone, and hear everyone else screem but they can't do anything for you and you can't do anything for them.

*sigh* What did I expect?

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Red Squirrel · Post by **Red Squirrel** » Fri Oct 01, 2004 4:47 pm

My bad... I put heven instead of hell LOL I was going to type more about heven then switched to typing about hell, but already had heven typed down.. :rolflmao:

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FloodG8-9595 · Post by **FloodG8-9595** » Fri Oct 01, 2004 4:55 pm

Red Squirrel wrote: My bad... I put heven instead of hell LOL I was going to type more about heven then switched to typing about hell, but already had heven typed down.. :rolflmao:

doncha hate when that happens?....

There is an afterlife, either hell or heven. Took 7 days to make Earth and not counting the damage humans are doing to it, it's a very incredible planet. Heaven is being "renovated" since day 1, so imagine how nice and incredible of a place it will be by the time we get there.

...... I can't say I completley agree with your view.. and especially the certianty with which you embrace it. We live in a world (universe) where nothing seems to remain the way we origionally thought it to be. I find that this would hold true in our interpritation of God and Religion as well.. no doubt there was somthing.. but, I don't hold the bible to be the true and untampered with word or God because it was inked and re inked and translated and re translated by a falable creature.. namely us.

Some say that God would protect his word.. I disagree.. God (karma) doesn't meddle in the afairs of free will. he (it) simply shapes the path of life. I do admire you dedication however misguided I think it may be personaly.
To each their own as they say

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Bookworm · Post by **Bookworm** » Sat Oct 02, 2004 12:34 am

I believe that God gave us the Bible to reveal Himself to us. The people that he used to write the Bible were inspired by Him so that everything they wrote was written in exactly the way God wanted it to be said. But only the original documents were infallible, and we no longer have any of the original documents. It is possible that some copying errors have occured in some passages, but they wouldn't be major areas. I trust the Bible to be the Word of God; I don't always trust my own ability to really understand exactly what God may be trying to say.

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Red Squirrel · Post by **Red Squirrel** » Sat Oct 02, 2004 12:12 pm

Very true

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sweetness · Post by **sweetness** » Sat Oct 02, 2004 2:37 pm

i believe in nothingness.

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MrSelf · Post by **MrSelf** » Sat Oct 02, 2004 3:32 pm

I completely disagree with red and bookworm's assessment. I do not know what is after death, but I do know that study of the events and history around the cannonization of the old and new testaments show that the bible was not always the word of god. I believe, and the bible tries to teach, that free-will prevents god from forcing anyone to do anything, and the biggest problem preventing our understanding of god's message has been our limits in human knowledge. There's the message of god, and there's what those people with that message did, and they are not the same. Religion, like government, does not always represent what it suppose to stand for. I do not believe there is some great afterlife, god gave us the greatest gift of all, conscious life! This is the gift, if you wait till you die, I think you are going to be disappointed...

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FloodG8-9595 · Post by **FloodG8-9595** » Sat Oct 02, 2004 3:51 pm

MrSelf wrote: I completely disagree with red and bookworm's assessment. I do not know what is after death, but I do know that study of the events and history around the cannonization of the old and new testaments show that the bible was not always the word of god. I believe, and the bible tries to teach, that free-will prevents god from forcing anyone to do anything, and the biggest problem preventing our understanding of god's message has been our limits in human knowledge. There's the message of god, and there's what those people with that message did, and they are not the same. Religion, like government, does not always represent what it suppose to stand for. I do not believe there is some great afterlife, god gave us the greatest gift of all, conscious life! This is the gift, if you wait till you die, I think you are going to be disappointed...

well said

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Bookworm · Post by **Bookworm** » Sat Oct 02, 2004 11:51 pm

MrSelf wrote: I completely disagree with red and bookworm's assessment. I do not know what is after death, but I do know that study of the events and history around the cannonization of the old and new testaments show that the bible was not always the word of god. I believe, and the bible tries to teach, that free-will prevents god from forcing anyone to do anything, and the biggest problem preventing our understanding of god's message has been our limits in human knowledge. There's the message of god, and there's what those people with that message did, and they are not the same. Religion, like government, does not always represent what it suppose to stand for. I do not believe there is some great afterlife, god gave us the greatest gift of all, conscious life! This is the gift, if you wait till you die, I think you are going to be disappointed...

From what I understand of the canonization process, it was not a system to pick and choose which books will from now on be called the Word of God. It was actually a gathering-together of the books which had the historical authority to have been considered the Word of God since the time they had been written. With that distinction, then, those books WERE always the Word of God. People who accept the authority of the Bible are going to believe in an afterlife, even though they may differ in their interpretation of it. I know of some people who believe in heaven for believers, but instead of an eternal Hell for unbelievers, they believe in an eternal "ceasing-to-exist." You are right that people who are trying to follow the message of God don't always get it correct.

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Angel · Post by **Angel** » Mon Oct 04, 2004 3:19 pm

i ponder on that but from all the facts that people have produced i think there all wrong,i think afterlife a.k.a heaven is based on how you lived your life,like when you die you move on back to your last happy moment and you live life from there thinking your alive.But its like your life but not!

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sweetness · Post by **sweetness** » Mon Oct 04, 2004 3:37 pm

maybe angel.

for my part, i would be absolutely gutted if there was an afterlife. I',m looking forward to my long eternal nothingness. I dont need the stress of an afterlife.

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FloodG8-9595 · Post by **FloodG8-9595** » Mon Oct 04, 2004 3:43 pm

Angel wrote: i ponder on that but from all the facts that people have produced i think there all wrong,i think afterlife a.k.a heaven is based on how you lived your life,like when you die you move on back to your last happy moment and you live life from there thinking your alive.But its like your life but not!

That reminds me of "Vinilla sky"... kinda... interesting theory

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MrSelf · Post by **MrSelf** » Mon Oct 04, 2004 4:16 pm

Bookworm wrote:
MrSelf wrote: I completely disagree with red and bookworm's assessment. I do not know what is after death, but I do know that study of the events and history around the cannonization of the old and new testaments show that the bible was not always the word of god. I believe, and the bible tries to teach, that free-will prevents god from forcing anyone to do anything, and the biggest problem preventing our understanding of god's message has been our limits in human knowledge. There's the message of god, and there's what those people with that message did, and they are not the same. Religion, like government, does not always represent what it suppose to stand for. I do not believe there is some great afterlife, god gave us the greatest gift of all, conscious life! This is the gift, if you wait till you die, I think you are going to be disappointed...

From what I understand of the canonization process, it was not a system to pick and choose which books will from now on be called the Word of God. It was actually a gathering-together of the books which had the historical authority to have been considered the Word of God since the time they had been written. With that distinction, then, those books WERE always the Word of God. People who accept the authority of the Bible are going to believe in an afterlife, even though they may differ in their interpretation of it. I know of some people who believe in heaven for believers, but instead of an eternal Hell for unbelievers, they believe in an eternal "ceasing-to-exist." You are right that people who are trying to follow the message of God don't always get it correct.

My point about the cannonization is more for the old testament, where the books were oral stories forever before they were written down, many of them have been found to be strangely similar to stories written earlier in history, epics if you will. Specifially, we know that the story of Noah's arc was a story in Mesopotamia(Iraq) long before when the bible would have you believe it happened. On futher study, we found that the world has never flooded(Core samples of the earth), but the Mesopotamian valley did have a major deluge around the time that the Mesopotamian stories said they took place. The cannonization of the new testament involved picking the books the church thought would serve their purpose of Jesus's message the best, not everything was included because they wanted to really focus on Jesus. This is besides the point I believe. Anyway, many of the chuch teachings were rejected, were they the word of god? Where is the line drawn, because they didn't dismiss books on whether or not they were the word of god, but rather if they fit the book best (It had to focus on Jesus, not be too long, and too the point, just like mondern books are formed now). Some of these books contradict other books, but according to your logic, they are all the word of god... No I definately don't believe every word is the word of god, many writers had other motives and their own ideas other than just the word of god and it shows when you study their profiles and their writings. To each their own, but that's where I stand. There is much to be learned before my final decision is made, for now, I know that living by the ideas and morals of the bible while continuing to research and learn is the best way to achieve that.

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Angel · Post by **Angel** » Mon Oct 04, 2004 9:06 pm

yeah but what is heaven ?what does it look like?

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Red Squirrel · Post by **Red Squirrel** » Mon Oct 04, 2004 9:08 pm

have not heard anyone read of it or have not read of it in a while but I know it will be incredibly awesome with streets of gold, and God sitting on the throne with Jesus on his side. Words cannot explain what it will be like. Same with hell, but in a negative matter.

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MrSelf · Post by **MrSelf** » Mon Oct 04, 2004 9:44 pm

Angel wrote: yeah but what is heaven ?what does it look like?

How can you see when you don't have eyes? The way we, humans, see things is not the only way. What if we saw gamma rays rather than light rays and cound see sound? or heat? Who says you are going to see in any conventional way?

red squirril wrote: Words cannot explain what it will be like.

+1

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sintekk · Post by **sintekk** » Mon Oct 04, 2004 9:45 pm

In my opinion, Heaven, if it exists, probably doesn't have any definate form, but it appears to the person as the best damn thing that ever was

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Bookworm · Post by **Bookworm** » Mon Oct 04, 2004 9:49 pm

MrSelf wrote:
Angel wrote: yeah but what is heaven ?what does it look like?

How can you see when you don't have eyes? The way we, humans, see things is not the only way. What if we saw gamma rays rather than light rays and cound see sound? or heat? Who says you are going to see in any conventional way?

red squirril wrote: Words cannot explain what it will be like.
+1

This is a nice change, being able to agree with MrSelf completely about something. Only a small portion of the spectrum is visible light to us now. I wouldn't be surprised if that was different in heaven.

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MrSelf · Post by **MrSelf** » Mon Oct 04, 2004 9:54 pm

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sintekk · Post by **sintekk** » Mon Oct 04, 2004 9:55 pm

There's only one way to respond to that:

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Red Squirrel · Post by **Red Squirrel** » Mon Oct 04, 2004 10:19 pm

I think the way it works is that we are in some kind of "matrix" Basically the entire universe is in one. while heaven and hell are seperate from this matrix. But I've also heard stories of people in very deep mines actually hearing people screem and there is some thought that hell is in the core of the earth, while heaven is so far out in space that we won't have the ability to go to it until earth has no more life. It's one of those things to ponder on again.

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