Heavenly Thoughts

shenbaw · Post by **shenbaw** » Tue Jan 25, 2005 10:22 pm

Did somebody say lego men looking for gay sex?

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Red Squirrel · Post by **Red Squirrel** » Tue Jan 25, 2005 10:30 pm

LMAO. Are you taking these? lol

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shenbaw · Post by **shenbaw** » Tue Jan 25, 2005 10:34 pm

Oh Red. I'm sorry, i should have told you sooner. You'll(that was intended to say "You'll love this.") love this!

http://www.thebricktestament.com/

Am I right?

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sintekk · Post by **sintekk** » Tue Jan 25, 2005 10:40 pm

This all reminds me of this webcomic:
http://www.irregularwebcomic.net/comics/irreg0727.jpg

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shenbaw · Post by **shenbaw** » Tue Jan 25, 2005 10:42 pm

Did it have to do with gay lego sex?

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sintekk · Post by **sintekk** » Tue Jan 25, 2005 10:43 pm

No. But it did have Legos in it!

http://www.irregularwebcomic.net/comics/irreg0723.jpg

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shenbaw · Post by **shenbaw** » Tue Jan 25, 2005 11:01 pm

sintekk wrote: No. But it did have Legos in it!

http://www.irregularwebcomic.net/comics/irreg0723.jpg

Hmm, interesting. Are there funny ones?

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sintekk · Post by **sintekk** » Tue Jan 25, 2005 11:11 pm

I don't think so, but it's the only other webcomic I could find with Legos

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shenbaw · Post by **shenbaw** » Tue Jan 25, 2005 11:22 pm

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Red Squirrel · Post by **Red Squirrel** » Tue Jan 25, 2005 11:37 pm

I just thought of something, would'th that be cool to have an entire city made with legos and megablocks? That would rock!

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sintekk · Post by **sintekk** » Tue Jan 25, 2005 11:39 pm

Red Squirrel wrote: I just thought of something, would'th that be cool to have an entire city made with legos and megablocks? That would rock!

You don't need no stinkin' God to get your marvelous land o' lego!

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Bookworm · Post by **Bookworm** » Tue Jan 25, 2005 11:46 pm

If a Christian wishes to lead others to the Lord, then that Christian must build bridges with the unsaved. The Christian's life must be one which reflects the love of Jesus Christ in such a way that an unsaved person will think, "I want what that person has in his life." Red doesn't seem to be radiating Christ very well in the way that he posts. As for your explanation of salvation, Shenbaw, you are willing to tell Red what salvation is not, but then you come up with your own explanation of salvation. How do you know yours is true?

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Stasi · Post by **Stasi** » Wed Jan 26, 2005 12:46 am

Bookworm wrote: If a Christian wishes to lead others to the Lord, then that Christian must build bridges with the unsaved. The Christian's life must be one which reflects the love of Jesus Christ in such a way that an unsaved person will think, "I want what that person has in his life." Red doesn't seem to be radiating Christ very well in the way that he posts. As for your explanation of salvation, Shenbaw, you are willing to tell Red what salvation is not, but then you come up with your own explanation of salvation. How do you know yours is true?

How do you know yours is true? Because the Bible tells you so? Ancient texts tell a lot of people a lot things, many of which can't be empirically disproven. So, then, on what basis do you view your beliefs as being more true than another's?

The trouble I have with this whole salvation thing that you guys put forth is that to receive it, one must accept Christ. That leaves out massive amounts of the world's population of decent, caring people, many of whom, who, throughout history never even heard of Christ. To be honest, I care nothing for a belief system that claims to involve a supposedly merciful, just God who rewards people not on the basis of the quality of how they conduct themselves towards humanity, but only on whether or not they accept Christ in their hearts.

You do realize that the Christian God is the same as the God of Islam and Judaism, right? What makes Christianity more 'true' than either one of those branches of faith?

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shenbaw · Post by **shenbaw** » Wed Jan 26, 2005 12:10 pm

Bookworm wrote: If a Christian wishes to lead others to the Lord, then that Christian must build bridges with the unsaved. The Christian's life must be one which reflects the love of Jesus Christ in such a way that an unsaved person will think, "I want what that person has in his life." Red doesn't seem to be radiating Christ very well in the way that he posts. As for your explanation of salvation, Shenbaw, you are willing to tell Red what salvation is not, but then you come up with your own explanation of salvation. How do you know yours is true?

I don't. Do you? (another problem I have with organized religous institutions, but that's a whole other ball game)

I was meaning to appologize for my tirade yesterday. Sorry Red. I was out of line and a little worked up.

I do, however, know that someone who kills others or commits horrible crimes like rape and then goes to jail and becomes a "Christian" only to get out and do the same thing again, just to be "born again" again in jail, doesn't derserve to go to heaven even though they spend most of their life proclaiming their "Christian" holiness. I also know that there are millions of good, kind, loving people out there who have never "known Christ" and that those people don't deserve to burn and suffer for all eternity simply because of the geographic location or the religous heritage they were brought up in or born into. I do know that. I also know that there millions of "Christians" out there who have never even made an attempt at living their life as Jesus Christ lived his. We've got "Christian" televangelists who live lavished lifestyles off of poor people's money. We've got "Christians" in African and South American countries who slaughter hundreds and thousands of their own fellow citizens because they are Muslims. We've got leaders of powerful countries *not naming any names* who invade, bomb, and demolish entire countries and then justify it by the idea that the "Christian" God, the only one true and everlasting God, is on our side. All of these people do these things in the name of the "Christian" God. All of them recognize that they are sinners, all of them have accepted Jesus as their personal savior, and have asked Jesus into their hearts. And all of them, according to Red, are going to be in heaven strolling down streets of gold. I do know that I can't buy into whatever it is that makes Red think things like this are possible. I don't think anyone in their right mind could. Just my opinion.

I guess I really just don't like being judged by someone who doesn't even know their own religous history. I think that's what really set me off. People turn religion into whatever suits their needs at the time. Nor do I enjoy being told that I'm going to burn in hell for all eternity so I don't need to worry about the details of heaven. Especially coming from a supposed devout "Christian."

Judge not, that ye be not judged. - Matthew 7:1

Anyway, sorry again about my earlier post. I recognize it wasn't very nice and could have been done in a much more friendly fashion.

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Bookworm · Post by **Bookworm** » Wed Jan 26, 2005 12:34 pm

Stasi wrote:
Bookworm wrote: If a Christian wishes to lead others to the Lord, then that Christian must build bridges with the unsaved. The Christian's life must be one which reflects the love of Jesus Christ in such a way that an unsaved person will think, "I want what that person has in his life." Red doesn't seem to be radiating Christ very well in the way that he posts. As for your explanation of salvation, Shenbaw, you are willing to tell Red what salvation is not, but then you come up with your own explanation of salvation. How do you know yours is true?

How do you know yours is true? Because the Bible tells you so? Ancient texts tell a lot of people a lot things, many of which can't be empirically disproven. So, then, on what basis do you view your beliefs as being more true than another's?

The trouble I have with this whole salvation thing that you guys put forth is that to receive it, one must accept Christ. That leaves out massive amounts of the world's population of decent, caring people, many of whom, who, throughout history never even heard of Christ. To be honest, I care nothing for a belief system that claims to involve a supposedly merciful, just God who rewards people not on the basis of the quality of how they conduct themselves towards humanity, but only on whether or not they accept Christ in their hearts.

You do realize that the Christian God is the same as the God of Islam and Judaism, right? What makes Christianity more 'true' than either one of those branches of faith?

Stasi, I'm not going to argue the point, because after all, my viewpoint is based on my belief that the Bible is what it claims to be, the Word of God. Someone who doesn't believe that certainly can't be argued into believing it. As far as whether the Christian God is the same as the God of Islam or Judaism, the answer lies in how each religion views Jesus Christ. The Christian God has a Son named Jesus who was sent to be the Messiah and who died on the cross for the sins of the world. Islam does not consider Christ to be God's son, and neither do the Jews. If one God has a Son and the other Gods do not, then they cannot be the same God. At least that's how I view it. I'm sure someone will disagree.

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Bookworm · Post by **Bookworm** » Wed Jan 26, 2005 12:49 pm

shenbaw wrote: I also know that there millions of "Christians" out there who have never even made an attempt at living their life as Jesus Christ lived his.

Shenbaw, I can agree with you completely on that point.

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shenbaw · Post by **shenbaw** » Wed Jan 26, 2005 1:05 pm

I also know that there are millions of good, kind, loving people out there who have never "known Christ" and that those people don't deserve to burn and suffer for all eternity simply because of the geographic location or the religous heritage they were brought up in or born into.

How 'bout that one? Can you agree with me on that?

Just messin' with ya Bookie. We can't very well dwell on the things we agree on, can we?

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Bookworm · Post by **Bookworm** » Wed Jan 26, 2005 3:55 pm

shenbaw wrote:
I also know that there are millions of good, kind, loving people out there who have never "known Christ" and that those people don't deserve to burn and suffer for all eternity simply because of the geographic location or the religous heritage they were brought up in or born into.
How 'bout that one? Can you agree with me on that?

Just messin' with ya Bookie. We can't very well dwell on the things we agree on, can we?

The Bible speaks of various degrees of reward up in heaven. It also speaks of some people being judged more severely than others. Therefore, I believe there will be differences in the way people who have never heard will be judged as compared to those who have heard the Gospel and have rejected it.

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shenbaw · Post by **shenbaw** » Wed Jan 26, 2005 4:35 pm

Bookworm wrote:
shenbaw wrote:
I also know that there are millions of good, kind, loving people out there who have never "known Christ" and that those people don't deserve to burn and suffer for all eternity simply because of the geographic location or the religous heritage they were brought up in or born into.
How 'bout that one? Can you agree with me on that?

Just messin' with ya Bookie. We can't very well dwell on the things we agree on, can we?
The Bible speaks of various degrees of reward up in heaven. It also speaks of some people being judged more severely than others. Therefore, I believe there will be differences in the way people who have never heard will be judged as compared to those who have heard the Gospel and have rejected it.

Hmm, so God might choose to be lienient to those who were born in the wrong place or at the wrong time? That's good. At least he/she is understanding. So, if heaven is "being in the presence of God" and there are "various degrees of reward up in heaven," does that mean that people who have never heard of Jesus will have some kind of visitation schedule or something? Or will they just be in limbo, not in heaven, not in hell... just somewhere. Ghosts perhaps?

And what do you and the Bible say to those who choose to worship a different God??? One without a son perhaps? Like a person born into a Jewish, or Muslim, or Buddhist family or area of the world. Will those people be rewarded or punished? After all, their entire life is one big defiance of the first commandment right? Thou shalt not have any other gods before me. All those kind, loving, peaceful buddhists who spend their lives benefitting other individuals and their community. What would you say to them?

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Bookworm · Post by **Bookworm** » Wed Jan 26, 2005 7:23 pm

shenbaw wrote:
Bookworm wrote:
shenbaw wrote: How 'bout that one? Can you agree with me on that?

Just messin' with ya Bookie. We can't very well dwell on the things we agree on, can we?
The Bible speaks of various degrees of reward up in heaven. It also speaks of some people being judged more severely than others. Therefore, I believe there will be differences in the way people who have never heard will be judged as compared to those who have heard the Gospel and have rejected it.
Hmm, so God might choose to be lienient to those who were born in the wrong place or at the wrong time? That's good. At least he/she is understanding. So, if heaven is "being in the presence of God" and there are "various degrees of reward up in heaven," does that mean that people who have never heard of Jesus will have some kind of visitation schedule or something? Or will they just be in limbo, not in heaven, not in hell... just somewhere. Ghosts perhaps?

And what do you and the Bible say to those who choose to worship a different God??? One without a son perhaps? Like a person born into a Jewish, or Muslim, or Buddhist family or area of the world. Will those people be rewarded or punished? After all, their entire life is one big defiance of the first commandment right? Thou shalt not have any other gods before me. All those kind, loving, peaceful buddhists who spend their lives benefitting other individuals and their community. What would you say to them?

John 14:6 says, "Jesus saith unto him, I am the way, the truth, and the life: no man cometh unto the Father, but by me."

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Stasi · Post by **Stasi** » Wed Jan 26, 2005 8:01 pm

Bookworm wrote: As far as whether the Christian God is the same as the God of Islam or Judaism, the answer lies in how each religion views Jesus Christ. The Christian God has a Son named Jesus who was sent to be the Messiah and who died on the cross for the sins of the world. Islam does not consider Christ to be God's son, and neither do the Jews. If one God has a Son and the other Gods do not, then they cannot be the same God. At least that's how I view it. I'm sure someone will disagree.

My point is that all three religious groups worship the god of Abraham, thus, they worship the same god. Muslims and Jews understand that. Whether they all agree on whether or not he had a son is beside the point - that is where the critical difference in their beliefs come into play.

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Stasi · Post by **Stasi** » Wed Jan 26, 2005 8:03 pm

Bookworm wrote: John 14:6 says, "Jesus saith unto him, I am the way, the truth, and the life: no man cometh unto the Father, but by me."

So, while someone born at the wrong place at the wrong time won't burn in hell, they won't be able to see the Father?

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Bookworm · Post by **Bookworm** » Wed Jan 26, 2005 9:14 pm

Stasi wrote:
Bookworm wrote: John 14:6 says, "Jesus saith unto him, I am the way, the truth, and the life: no man cometh unto the Father, but by me."

So, while someone born at the wrong place at the wrong time won't burn in hell, they won't be able to see the Father?

That is what the verse says.

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Bookworm · Post by **Bookworm** » Wed Jan 26, 2005 9:23 pm

Stasi wrote:
Bookworm wrote: As far as whether the Christian God is the same as the God of Islam or Judaism, the answer lies in how each religion views Jesus Christ. The Christian God has a Son named Jesus who was sent to be the Messiah and who died on the cross for the sins of the world. Islam does not consider Christ to be God's son, and neither do the Jews. If one God has a Son and the other Gods do not, then they cannot be the same God. At least that's how I view it. I'm sure someone will disagree.

My point is that all three religious groups worship the god of Abraham, thus, they worship the same god. Muslims and Jews understand that. Whether they all agree on whether or not he had a son is beside the point - that is where the critical difference in their beliefs come into play.

God's Son is not beside the point. The God of Abraham sent His Son to earth. If a group claims to worship the God of Abraham, and then describes Him in a different way than who He actually is, they cannot be worshiping the same God. A very similar God, but not the same one.

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Stasi · Post by **Stasi** » Wed Jan 26, 2005 11:55 pm

Bookworm wrote:
Stasi wrote:
Bookworm wrote: John 14:6 says, "Jesus saith unto him, I am the way, the truth, and the life: no man cometh unto the Father, but by me."

So, while someone born at the wrong place at the wrong time won't burn in hell, they won't be able to see the Father?

That is what the verse says.

That seems hardly the manner in which a merciful, loving, much less fair, god would conduct himself towards his creations. I would hope a benevolent god wouldn't hold things against me or anyone else that were beyond their control....

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