Conservatives want to make guns legal in Canada

Red Squirrel · Post by **Red Squirrel** » Sat Jun 26, 2004 2:55 pm

This is very scarry. If the conservatives win, Canada will be turned so much into a mess. this is only part of what Harper wants to do. The conservatives also use sneaky subjects to make people want to vote for them, such as making gay marriages back illegal etc. I'm glad I voted Liberal...

http://canadaonline.about.com/od/conservat...sguncontrol.htm

Harper Spells out Conservative Policy on Gun Control

Stephen Harper has spelled out the Conservative Party policy on gun control. Releasing the Conservative Party plan for Canada's criminal justice system on June 1, 2004, Harper said that if his party is elected they will cancel the Canadian gun registry and redirect funds allocated for it to front-line law enforcement.

Cancelling the Gun Registry

The Conservative Party plan says that current gun control laws, including the provisions for registration of firearms, would be replaced by a practical firearms control system that is cost-effective and respects the "rights" of Canadians to own and use guns responsibly.

The plan also says there should be stronger penalties for those who use guns to commit a crime.

The Conservatives say they will work with the provinces on cost-effective gun-control programs. Specific measures would include:
# mandatory minimum penalties for the criminal use of firearms and their illegal possession
# strict monitoring of high-risk individuals
# crackdown on gun smuggling
# safe gun storage laws
# firearms safety training
# a licensing system for those wishing to use guns legally
# more law enforcement officers
# a registry of convicted criminals who have been convicted by the courts from owning firearms.

Improving Law Enforcement

The Conservative Party says that the annual $25 million in maintenance costs of the gun registry would be redirected to improving law enforcement. The Conservative plan adds that hidden costs of the current gun registry may bring the total closer to $100 million a year that could be redirected to improved law enforcement.

Specific law enforcement measures the Conservative Party plan mentions are:
# changes to the national sex offender registry - $2 million to establish and $500 million to properly maintain and monitor. Although new legislation was passed by the Liberal government in April 2004, the Conservatives would amend that legislation to make registration of sex offenders mandatory and retroactive and apply to "all sex offenders, regardless of when, where, or how old they were when convicted."
# hiring and training 200 new RCMP officers a year
# tracking child pornography and predators on the Internet
# preventing gun smuggling at border crossings
# protecting ports from smuggling and potential terrorism
# cracking down on guns and organized crime.

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fragged one · Post by **fragged one** » Sat Jun 26, 2004 2:57 pm

sounds like a good plan.

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Red Squirrel · Post by **Red Squirrel** » Sat Jun 26, 2004 3:11 pm

LOL not really... he also said Martin supports child pornography and other unneeded attacks. I don't remember federal elections being this nasty before. It seems it used to just be Jean Chretien stays and that's it.... lol. He should come back. LOL Or like americans say it, Jean Poutine. hahaha...

Actually I can't wait to see what will happen with the US elections, if Bush will make it or not. Since for Canada I'm not that worried since I'm almost positive the Liberals will make it, well it's very close call between Liberal and NDP... heck maybe the green party has a chance this time.

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fragged one · Post by **fragged one** » Sat Jun 26, 2004 4:05 pm

i'm waiting for the part where you say WHY it's a bad plan.

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Red Squirrel · Post by **Red Squirrel** » Sat Jun 26, 2004 4:28 pm

Crime, Canada has a low crime rate, and we can walk around, or go to bed at night, without worrying about someone pulling out a gun on us or a missle launcher, sniper etc.... The only guns around are illegal ones, and they come from the states so most of the gun crime happends in the south like Toronto and such.

So up north things are rather safe. As for hunting, hunting guns are allowed durring hunting season and there's heavy licensing on them... even some old WW2 moose guns we have here that don't even work - we had to register them. So gun control makes it harder to commit gun crime, and almst illiminates it in some parts. For example, right now if I wanted to get my hands on a gun, it would be lot of trouble. I'd have to find an excuse to go to the states, then hide it on my way back.... I mean it simply would not happen.

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Cisco_Kid · Post by **Cisco_Kid** » Sat Jun 26, 2004 4:59 pm

Cancelling the Gun Registry

The Conservative Party plan says that current gun control laws, including the provisions for registration of firearms, would be replaced by a practical firearms control system that is cost-effective and respects the "rights" of Canadians to own and use guns responsibly.

The plan also says there should be stronger penalties for those who use guns to commit a crime.

The Conservatives say they will work with the provinces on cost-effective gun-control programs. Specific measures would include:
# mandatory minimum penalties for the criminal use of firearms and their illegal possession
# strict monitoring of high-risk individuals
# crackdown on gun smuggling
# safe gun storage laws
# firearms safety training
# a licensing system for those wishing to use guns legally
# more law enforcement officers
# a registry of convicted criminals who have been convicted by the courts from owning firearms.

sounds like a wonderful plan to me.

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Red Squirrel · Post by **Red Squirrel** » Sat Jun 26, 2004 5:20 pm

I don't get "use a gun legally" Guns are made to kill people, you can't use a gun legaly. LOL It's like banning cigarettes but making them legal to sell... what do you think people will do with them?

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Cisco_Kid · Post by **Cisco_Kid** » Sun Jun 27, 2004 5:25 am

Red Squirrel wrote: I don't get "use a gun legally" Guns are made to kill people, you can't use a gun legally.

three words SELF DEFENSE and DETERRENCE.
If you were a criminal planning on a string of robberies and violent home invasions would you pick the homes that have no firearms or the ones that might very likely contain a readily available, propery secured handgun owned by trained individual?

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Anonymous · Post by **Anonymous** » Sun Jun 27, 2004 10:13 am

Red Squirrel wrote: I don't get "use a gun legally" Guns are made to kill people, you can't use a gun legaly. LOL It's like banning cigarettes but making them legal to sell... what do you think people will do with them?

My my, but you're immature for your age. yes, guns are made to kill people, but they can also be used in self defence. If you wake up in the middle of the night with a thief scampering round your house you'll be glad you've got that Mauser Broomhandle or Colt .45 on your nightstand. You try arguing with a robber when he pulls a Glock and places it on your temple.

The fag analogy doesn't work because cigs don't kill if used responsibly. But this can apply to guns too. Guns can save lives if used for the right purposes.

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sintekk · Post by **sintekk** » Tue Jun 29, 2004 8:50 am

Guns are great for getting food, too

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shenbaw · Post by **shenbaw** » Tue Jun 29, 2004 9:55 am

William Wallace wrote: cigs don't kill if used responsibly.

I think I might take issue with that statement.

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Red Squirrel · Post by **Red Squirrel** » Tue Jun 29, 2004 11:31 am

sintekk wrote: Guns are great for getting food, too

True if you're a canibal. Hmm actually going huting would a hand gun would be kind of cool.

But the conservatives did not win so the bush clone did not make up as PM, so everyone is happy.

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shenbaw · Post by **shenbaw** » Tue Jun 29, 2004 2:32 pm

I think hunting for animals with hand guns would be fun.

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shenbaw · Post by **shenbaw** » Tue Jun 29, 2004 2:35 pm

Actually hunting anything with hand guns is fun.

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MrSelf · Post by **MrSelf** » Tue Jun 29, 2004 2:48 pm

shenbaw wrote: Actually hunting anything with hand guns is fun.

*shoots shenbaw in leg*

Hey, that was fun!

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shenbaw · Post by **shenbaw** » Tue Jun 29, 2004 2:51 pm

Thank you sir, may I have another?

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shenbaw · Post by **shenbaw** » Tue Jun 29, 2004 2:53 pm

I want a gun too.

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MrSelf · Post by **MrSelf** » Tue Jun 29, 2004 3:01 pm

*tosses shenbaw a gun*

Here ya go!

shoots shenbaw in right foot*

hehehe

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shenbaw · Post by **shenbaw** » Tue Jun 29, 2004 3:04 pm

See, now isn't this much more interesting than talking about whether some guy killed his wife and unborn child?

*drops gun to ground and limps away*

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MrSelf · Post by **MrSelf** » Tue Jun 29, 2004 3:21 pm

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Red Squirrel · Post by **Red Squirrel** » Tue Jun 29, 2004 3:37 pm

They should still give free hunting guns at the banks though... LOL

That would be hilarious, seeing people come out of a bank with hunting and fishing gear. "I just opened up an account"

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