asp+iis vs php+apache

Red Squirrel · Post by **Red Squirrel** » Thu Sep 22, 2005 9:14 pm

I posted this at another forum and got jumped on for saying php is better.

Curious to see what everyone thinks here.

Hopefully everyone here is in the right direction.

PHP all the way! Without it, this forum would not exist.

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jellyfish · Post by **jellyfish** » Thu Sep 22, 2005 11:05 pm

I use ASP.NET (Stress the .NET!) with IIS 6.0. I need to as a part of my degree, o.k well they sort of took me off the programming modules the other day and told me that I'll be doing them next year...blah.

Depends on how you define better really as it would depend on what factors are important to you and what you are doing with the coding.

If you go the microsoft route you'll have to pay out alot of money for products such as win2003, visual studio.net, MSSQL server etc (I get them for free!!!).

ASP.NET is amazingly simple to use and the source code is hidden meaning that people can't rip off your work, then there's the MSDN library- 1.5 gigs of source code and tutorials.

There are forums and sites built entirely without php see http://www.asp.net.

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Red Squirrel · Post by **Red Squirrel** » Thu Sep 22, 2005 11:31 pm

So when you distribute a asp.net script there's no code? so it's like a zend encoded script? Good in a way, but if you're designing a forum for instance it's hard for people to mod it.

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Anonymous · Post by **Anonymous** » Thu Sep 22, 2005 11:36 pm

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jellyfish · Post by **jellyfish** » Thu Sep 22, 2005 11:38 pm

there is code but it's in a "code behind file" for instance if I were to create a page called iceteks.aspx the code behind page would be iceteks.aspx.vb, the .aspx page will only show the html, and will be the only page to show up in the browser...(well depends on what other pages you included in your project).

In terms of working on an open source project such as a forum or a portal you can include the project file which can be opened in visual studio.net and you'll be able to work on it from there.

I'll get a directory listing of one of my projects for you to look at.

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Red Squirrel · Post by **Red Squirrel** » Thu Sep 22, 2005 11:42 pm

Oh ok, so yeah it's similar to php, like people looking at the source of the forum only get html, the php is server side. But in asp.net case it's binary + code where it runs off the binaries.

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jellyfish · Post by **jellyfish** » Thu Sep 22, 2005 11:53 pm

here's a little site I built in ASP.NET (well I compressed it all into one page using dynamic controls):

http://www.eternityinanhour.co.uk

The page is illuminations.aspx which I've set to be the default page for this site.

The code is in the illuminations.aspx.vb

here's a list of the project files, you don't need all of these but after finishing a project I just upload every thing (for backup purposes mainly):

bin/blake.dll (driver)
bin/blake.pdb (debugging file)
assemblyinfo.vb
blake2.vbproj (the project file for opening the project in visual studio.net)
global.asax
global.asax.vb
illuminations.aspx (the actual page itself)
illuminations.aspx.vb (the code behind page)
styles.css (stylesheet)
web.config (configuation file for the site, sets authentication and browser caps etc)

I've stuffed it all into the root and so if you try to access those files via the browser you should get a message up saying that they are not served.

It took me about 3 hours to do all of that.

Also ignore the horrible microsoft html and javascript, that's done automatically for you in visual studio.net.

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Cold Drink · Post by **Cold Drink** » Fri Sep 23, 2005 2:06 am

I've used ASP (not ASP.net) and like PHP much better. There seems to be a lot more available for PHP, as well as the fact that I hate VB so you can forget VB script for ASP as far as I'm concerned.

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jellyfish · Post by **jellyfish** » Fri Sep 23, 2005 5:20 am

asp.net is very different from asp, infact I think that asp is quite crap. Asp.net uses VB.net and c#.net which is totally different from vb script.

Because VB.net and C#.net are languages on their own, once you learn asp.net you can also build desktop applications.

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Streety · Post by **Streety** » Fri Sep 23, 2005 6:15 am

I've only done anything with PHP so can't comment on how good anything else is.

However I found that it was a lot easier to find info, tutorials and everything else you need in the PHP community than for any other language.

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sintekk · Post by **sintekk** » Fri Sep 23, 2005 9:26 am

Just so you know, if you use Mono, you don't have to use ASP on IIS. In fact, it works on Apache too

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Red Squirrel · Post by **Red Squirrel** » Fri Sep 23, 2005 5:21 pm

Yeah but installing mono is a freaken pain in the ass. I still can't figure out how to get the damn thing to work. It's required for a UO server. I don't know why they even made the server in .net to begin with, server apps should be designed on linux first, then ported to windows.

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sintekk · Post by **sintekk** » Fri Sep 23, 2005 5:49 pm

Red Squirrel wrote: server apps should be designed on linux first, then ported to windows.

Heh, not when the majority of the game's user population use windows, you don't

These guys want people to use their server software, people that want to make their own servers most likely have played the game before and since most of the people that play the game use windows, well, there you go

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Red Squirrel · Post by **Red Squirrel** » Fri Sep 23, 2005 6:52 pm

Yeah you use windows to play the game, but to serve it, linux is much better. I did manage to get mono working though, it only works on the unstable version of debian as far as I can tell.

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