Capping HP and such

Red Squirrel · Post by **Red Squirrel** » Thu Jun 07, 2007 9:57 pm

I've been pondering about adding caps to hp/stam/mana as well as regens, as with the larger variety of artifacts it is easy to get rediculously high hp.

I've been thinking of maybe the following caps:

hp: 150
stamina: 150
mana: 150

all regens at 25

Thought I'd bring this up before applying it.

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dprantl · Post by **dprantl** » Thu Jun 07, 2007 10:14 pm

If your concern is too much HP, cap HP and HP regen. Why cap mana regen? Anyone can spam heal with 5 mana regen, so 30 won't save them anyway...

But on the flip side, it will make mages nearly useless in PvM. My mage relies on high mana regen in order to bring down mobs with uber HP. The mobs keep getting harder, but the players keep getting more mushy.

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Red Squirrel · Post by **Red Squirrel** » Thu Jun 07, 2007 10:20 pm

25 is still a lot of mana regen. With med thats 35 and with focus thats 40. (I think)

But yeah hp is the biggest problem so I could cap the rest higher.

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Lymus · Post by **Lymus** » Thu Jun 07, 2007 10:46 pm

Red Squirrel wrote:25 is still a lot of mana regen. With med thats 35 and with focus thats 40. (I think)

But yeah hp is the biggest problem so I could cap the rest higher.

Every other 10 points of focus, you get one point of MR. Thus, you get 5 points of MR with Grandmaster Focus.

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Craig · Post by **Craig** » Fri Jun 08, 2007 1:22 am

I think 150 is still very high Id go for at least 125, 150 is just still high.

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Lymus · Post by **Lymus** » Fri Jun 08, 2007 1:32 am

Give us an example of a monster that has 150 HP, if you have an idea of one.

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E.Machine · Post by **E.Machine** » Fri Jun 08, 2007 2:43 am

Mana on most other shards you can easily get close to 200 anyways, so the 170+ that some of us have here isn't out of the question.

As for HP... I don't know. Would be nerfing my guild members basically. haha.

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Finlander · Post by **Finlander** » Fri Jun 08, 2007 5:14 am

Yeah thanks a lot guys, once again iam friggen first one on the shard to find something what half of the shard thinks is worth nerfing. This time it is the 170hp, i find it funny how somehow magicaly everything i invesdtange to make my character better gets nerfed.

You could have told this before i worked my ass off to get the items to provide this type of hp.

But yey hey, thanks a lot.

And squirrel about your tank, i dont think it was hard when we fought you guys in khaldun.

And one more thing, capped to 150? what the fuck

EVER though that maybe, maybe you could counter the high hp like normal people try to do when they find someone who they cant beat, but no you whine about it instead.
Some people talkign about hp on this topic i havent even seen pvping, and i can tell them something, get that 170hp and come duel me, i kill you anyways and so will do most of the EQ

So my point is, what about if you stop crying like little babies and try actualy do something instead of whine.

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Alvar · Post by **Alvar** » Fri Jun 08, 2007 5:27 am

NOOOooooooooooooooooooooooo! :<

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Dumples · Post by **Dumples** » Fri Jun 08, 2007 8:50 am

From a PvM standpoint, I consider myself a normal level player. I don't consider myself good at PvP at all. Anyway, from a PvM standpoint, I rely more on mana than hitpoints because most of my characters are mages. Between mana and mana regeneration, if those go down, I am affected more. Lower HP just means I need to heal more often.

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E.Machine · Post by **E.Machine** » Fri Jun 08, 2007 9:48 am

Hector is somewhat right.

I can beat him. And I can beat him with a character that only has 97 hit points.

So Technically, HP isn't a HUGE deal, providing the other person knows what they are doing.

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Gaiava Arkkaza · Post by **Gaiava Arkkaza** » Fri Jun 08, 2007 1:01 pm

Mages-
As long you can have 40 LMC (which is easy here), you can PvM with 0 mr and just 100 med. Thats what my PvM mage has, and I dont need anything else. High MR allows the mage to drop meditation for another skill, but this makes meditation nearly useless. 10 mr + 100 med = uber. =)
Stam regen = no need to cap that.
HPR = its not that bad, it just heals you for like 3 hpr (30hpr) per second. And its not possible to get over 50hpr here.

HP = I agree with Craig. But thats comming from someone who used to have 166 hp. Hector, you are not even close to be the first to find this. I've told Squirrel about this possible issue when I had sent him the cloak's script.
Mana = Huh, no need.
Stam = No need. (swing speed is caped here, forgot?)

The unique way I could ever counter high HP is using a mage, which I cant here. If I was able to use PlayUO I'd be able to, as it lowers my ping, but now... no.

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Red Squirrel · Post by **Red Squirrel** » Fri Jun 08, 2007 1:09 pm

Yeah I'm not so worried about hp personally, I may not be able to do anything with my pvm char but with my pvp one I still have a half decent chance. Just takes lot of evil omen blood oath and such and lot of mortals.

But I was thinking generally, and I want to avoid people from being able to hit like 200 hp with 150 stamina and 150 mana, or maybe even 200 of each, etc... since its probably possible.

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dprantl · Post by **dprantl** » Fri Jun 08, 2007 2:49 pm

Please don't cap mana regen, it's one of my most favorite things about AoV

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Finlander · Post by **Finlander** » Fri Jun 08, 2007 2:55 pm

Red Squirrel wrote:Yeah I'm not so worried about hp personally.

So who is, give us names so i can burn their houses.

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Nosferatu · Post by **Nosferatu** » Fri Jun 08, 2007 3:04 pm

150 hp is fine i dont see the big deal in going past it i mean thats a lot of hits lol

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Red Squirrel · Post by **Red Squirrel** » Fri Jun 08, 2007 5:45 pm

Its definately nice to survive a sudden DF blood oath though.

Normally when I see a 130 over my head, in yellow, everything turns black and white, but not when I got 160 hp lol.

I was thinking too, to compensate for high hp I can make damage caps higher, like DS and AI, considering they are harder to spam them other shards. Maybe 45 instead of 35.

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Gaiava Arkkaza · Post by **Gaiava Arkkaza** » Fri Jun 08, 2007 6:04 pm

Red Squirrel wrote:Its definately nice to survive a sudden DF blood oath though. Normally when I see a 130 over my head, in yellow, everything turns black and white, but not when I got 160 hp lol.

I was thinking too, to compensate for high hp I can make damage caps higher, like DS and AI, considering they are harder to spam them other shards. Maybe 45 instead of 35.

No. People without those uber items will be in a HUGE disavantage.

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DOCTOR THUNDER · Post by **DOCTOR THUNDER** » Fri Jun 08, 2007 6:13 pm

serioulsy, I think you should leave the hp/stam/mana alone. I have already thought of about 5 ways to change my character around to be even more deadly if 1 thing or another gets nerfed. People need to find ways to make their characters/playstyle stronger. Having LRC as your top priority on your pvp suit seems to be the norm here, its not a very smart opinion.

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Finlander · Post by **Finlander** » Fri Jun 08, 2007 6:17 pm

DOCTOR THUNDER wrote:serioulsy, I think you should leave the hp/stam/mana alone. I have already thought of about 5 ways to change my character around to be even more deadly if 1 thing or another gets nerfed. People need to find ways to make their characters/playstyle stronger. Having LRC as your top priority on your pvp suit seems to be the norm here, its not a very smart opinion.

Yep, pretty much my thoughs.

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Red Squirrel · Post by **Red Squirrel** » Fri Jun 08, 2007 7:34 pm

Something I just thought of that could be cool.

Cap it all at 150, OR select one of 3 "professions" (could be some kind of gump or something)

none: all capped at 150
Mage: mana uncapped, but stamina and hit poitns capped at 125
Archer: stamina uncapped, but hits and mana capped at 125
warrior: hit points uncapped, but stamina and mana capped at 125

The professions would not link to your skills, they'd just be categories, so you can still be an archer and pick warrior or mage, for example.

But what this would prevent is someone getting like 200 of each for example. Imagine someone with 200 hp and 200 mana and like 150 stam.

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Finlander · Post by **Finlander** » Fri Jun 08, 2007 7:38 pm

it is not possible to get them so high with current artifacts

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DOCTOR THUNDER · Post by **DOCTOR THUNDER** » Fri Jun 08, 2007 7:53 pm

you are going to make it too complicated for new players. The AoV vets have gotten one change at a time, but imagine coming from demise to here... The game has a built in stat cap. What happened was there are all these items that add stats. Each item is not too bad, but add them up like Hector and I have, and you have a monster.

Here is what would happen if you capped hp at 150: I would lower my str and raise my int. That would allow me enough mana to add magery and eval to my template. Add a good runic bow, which Hector has tons of them... Then you have an even bigger monster than you were trying to get rid of.

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Finlander · Post by **Finlander** » Fri Jun 08, 2007 8:00 pm

Doc has a point there

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