Hard Drive OEM's being sued

wldkos · Post by **wldkos** » Fri Sep 19, 2003 11:35 am

finally

http://reuters.com/newsArticle.jhtml?type=...storyID=3470394

source = http://arstechnica.com/archive/news/1063938746.html

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Red Squirrel · Post by **Red Squirrel** » Fri Sep 19, 2003 3:14 pm

Interesting! I'm suprised this never took place before though, since it's a big confusion that companies cause.

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jryan · Post by **jryan** » Fri Sep 19, 2003 4:22 pm

Finally. I remember when I bought my Compaq. Thought I was getting a 40GB drive and wound up with a 38.something.

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rovingcowboy · Post by **rovingcowboy** » Fri Sep 19, 2003 5:02 pm

this worries me

how in the world could this have happened we all know that the HD Manuf. use the norml space of the hd and post it on the box but that the normal user would not know that it is not the full size said. which is a rounded up number.

and hd manuf.. take it that the users would not know what.

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Listed below are the different size calculations based on a hard drive that is 128GB:

(2 ^ 28 sectors) x 512 bytes = 137438953472 bytes = 134217728KB = 131072MB = 128GB

Once you get beyond 128GB you start accessing the 48-bit area. The above calculations are based on the following assumption: 1KB = 1024 bytes. If you calculate using 1KB = 1000 bytes, then you will get 137.439853472GB as the total size.

This information is important to understand if you are trying to determine if the operating system has correctly recognized the full capacity of hard drives larger than 137GB. If the operating system or an application reports that the total capacity of your hard drive is 131072MB, this indicates that it is only recognizing 128GB and it is not currently accessing the 48-bit area.

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and i found that listed on the web in less then 2 minutes.

but normal users wont know what to look for. that is what i am saying.

the hd manuf. just round up to make it a simpler number for normal users to understand. normal = none trained newbie.

there is always a little room used for the formating of the hd also. and that takes up more room. i to 75 mbs on an 80 mb hd.

i just find it sad that people dont take for granted that the manufactures are just making it easy to understand, now sure if they round up to some wrong number such as saying you have a 200 gb hard drive when you only get a 200 mb one in the box that is either an out and out lie or a typo.

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manadren_it · Post by **manadren_it** » Fri Sep 19, 2003 9:34 pm

Arr! Those bilge rats are gettin what they deserve! Aye, I never paid no mind to what those scurvy dogs write on their drives, but with drive capacity getting as big as it is them numbers be showing ever larger discrepancies. 1000 != 1024!!! Arrr!!!!

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Red Squirrel · Post by **Red Squirrel** » Fri Sep 19, 2003 10:12 pm

They should come out with a new standard. Instead of 1 byte being 8 bits it can be something like 1 byte = 9 bits. Now I'm asking for confusion.

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Wren · Post by **Wren** » Fri Sep 19, 2003 10:18 pm

Well, shiver me timbers! Guess it's easier to round off the number than go through all the explanations posted here!

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Chris Vogel · Post by **Chris Vogel** » Fri Sep 19, 2003 10:32 pm

Confused......

My hard drive actually has more space than advertised. That's because of that stupid recovery partition on there though. Truthfully, I only get to use what they advertised unless I delete the hidden partition. I don't really want to do that though.

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Red Squirrel · Post by **Red Squirrel** » Fri Sep 19, 2003 10:36 pm

Oh, those stupid recovery partitions. I find that so stupid. If you need to recover your whole system, there's a certain chance that the partition is also gone. For example, if the drive died!

I like it better the old way, how they give you all software CDs!

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Chris Vogel · Post by **Chris Vogel** » Fri Sep 19, 2003 10:37 pm

Red Squirrel wrote: Oh, those stupid recovery partitions. I find that so stupid. If you need to recover your whole system, there's a certain chance that the partition is also gone. For example, if the drive died!

I like it better the old way, how they give you all software CDs!

I wish they would have done that.

I hate those stupid things!

If I have an "accident", I have to ship the thing back to HP and let them reformat it!

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Red Squirrel · Post by **Red Squirrel** » Fri Sep 19, 2003 10:41 pm

I don't know, but I think what they do is illegal though, what tells us they actually buy seperate OEM licenses for the software? It's probably the same old CD they use for each installation. Sure I do it at home all the time, but when it's a company, it's more serious to do it the non EULA breaking way. Like my busness for example, I will never install something unless the customer has a CD, they can order it from me, or they already have it. Even if it's a pirated copy, as long as it's theirs I hold no responsibility in how they obtained it, but as soon as I start providing a pirated copy, then it's not right. But I rather just sell it with the PC though. I usually won't make profit off software, it's already expensive as it is, it's sort of an add on to the computer purchase.

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Wren · Post by **Wren** » Fri Sep 19, 2003 10:49 pm

Yep, my sister paid $1200.00 for an HP and didn't get the OS CD.

I never would have paid that kind of money for something off a shelf!

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manadren_it · Post by **manadren_it** » Sat Sep 20, 2003 9:02 am

Red Squirrel wrote: I don't know, but I think what they do is illegal though, what tells us they actually buy seperate OEM licenses for the software? It's probably the same old CD they use for each installation. Sure I do it at home all the time, but when it's a company, it's more serious to do it the non EULA breaking way. Like my busness for example, I will never install something unless the customer has a CD, they can order it from me, or they already have it. Even if it's a pirated copy, as long as it's theirs I hold no responsibility in how they obtained it, but as soon as I start providing a pirated copy, then it's not right. But I rather just sell it with the PC though. I usually won't make profit off software, it's already expensive as it is, it's sort of an add on to the computer purchase.

I'm with you on that one. Piracy at home and at a business are two totally different things - what you do on your own is your own deal, but you never use pirate software in a business setting, that has repercussions on other people, and the bsa is a lot harder on businesses than the average joe.

I don't think that hardware manufacturers are doing that though. Most likely they just have 1 cd, or more likely a drive image, and a stack of lisceneses. And you know that the big guys are probably getting a reduced price on liscenses - seeing as how microsoft is forcing them to do windows preinstalls.

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rovingcowboy · Post by **rovingcowboy** » Sun Sep 21, 2003 12:23 pm

Wren wrote: Well, shiver me timbers! Guess it's easier to round off the number than go through all the explanations posted here!

yep i thought so also. thar wren.

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fishyfool · Post by **fishyfool** » Thu Sep 25, 2003 10:49 pm

the only drive i've ever seen that accually held the amount stated on the box was an IBM Deskstar 60GXP
i did buy a Western Digital 40 gig drive and got a wd 45 gig drive.

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Red Squirrel · Post by **Red Squirrel** » Thu Sep 25, 2003 10:58 pm

Only problem with the deathstar I mean deskstar is that the ammount shown won't stay like that for long, if you know what I mean.

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rovingcowboy · Post by **rovingcowboy** » Thu Sep 25, 2003 10:58 pm

fishyfool wrote: the only drive i've ever seen that accually held the amount stated on the box was an IBM Deskstar 60GXP
i did buy a Western Digital 40 gig drive and got a wd 45 gig drive.

wow that is something to get one marked correctly

and yo lucky dogfish you, to get one that is 5 gigs more then you paid for.

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