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Red Squirrel · Post by **Red Squirrel** » Sun Mar 02, 2003 12:06 am

I did the defrag today and it took way longer then I figured. We're now back online!

I can't wait to get a new box!!! Soon enough I hope! Linux does not require defragmenting.

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rovingcowboy · Post by **rovingcowboy** » Sun Mar 02, 2003 6:59 am

they all require defragmenting. red.

only way to not go offline when doing it is to hook up dual servers when one is busy then the other one takes over.

like in raid systems you mirror the forum on both servers so any one visiter that is on the site will be on the same site. with out seening any difference in the site. it will just be an invisable switch over when the one server is doing maint. that is how the big boys do it.

they even have hot swapable servers with raid systems in them so if a drive goes bad they just yank it out, and there is an automatic switch to the back up one then they put in the new drive.

it then becomes the back up drive and copies all the information from the other drive. so when it is time to replace that drive it then has the invisable switch back to the other drive again. and so, on and so, on

doing it that way stops a lot of this

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Red Squirrel · Post by **Red Squirrel** » Sun Mar 02, 2003 5:06 pm

Eventually I'd like to have a setup like that as well. But I heard Linux does not require defrag, not sure how it works, but that's what I heard.

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Magic_it · Post by **Magic_it** » Mon Mar 03, 2003 2:09 am

rovingcowboy wrote: they all require defragmenting.

No. If on Linux and running the ext3 file system, the journaling and rewriting processes should keep everything contiguous and organized on the hard drive. Not even a single file is fragmented.

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rovingcowboy · Post by **rovingcowboy** » Mon Mar 03, 2003 9:29 am

Magic wrote:
the journaling and rewriting processes should keep everything contiguous and organized on the hard drive.

that is called on the fly defragmenting. it is doing the same job only while it is in use.

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Magic_it · Post by **Magic_it** » Mon Mar 03, 2003 9:40 pm

rovingcowboy wrote:
Magic wrote:
the journaling and rewriting processes should keep everything contiguous and organized on the hard drive.
that is called on the fly defragmenting. it is doing the same job only while it is in use.

exactly. so the user doesn't have to go through the pain of doing it him or herself.

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Red Squirrel · Post by **Red Squirrel** » Mon Mar 03, 2003 10:34 pm

Magic wrote:
rovingcowboy wrote:
Magic wrote:
the journaling and rewriting processes should keep everything contiguous and organized on the hard drive.
that is called on the fly defragmenting. it is doing the same job only while it is in use.
exactly. so the user doesn't have to go through the pain of doing it him or herself.

Yep no pain and no downtime! But does that make it slower though? That's what I wonder.

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Magic_it · Post by **Magic_it** » Wed Mar 05, 2003 1:43 am

Red Squirrel wrote:
Magic wrote:
rovingcowboy wrote:
that is called on the fly defragmenting. it is doing the same job only while it is in use.
exactly. so the user doesn't have to go through the pain of doing it him or herself.
Yep no pain and no downtime! But does that make it slower though? That's what I wonder.

Only during the writing processing. You may notice that you're just sitting there, minding your own business, just surfing the web maybe and all of a sudden you notice a lot of disk activity. This happens about a few times a day, and during that time of course, the machine is only a little slower. But it's usually pretty quick and benficial. No worries if you have a bad shutdown either, it's very unlikely for there to be anything wrong with the file system because of its journaling techniques.

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Red Squirrel · Post by **Red Squirrel** » Wed Mar 05, 2003 2:37 am

Magic wrote:
Red Squirrel wrote:
Magic wrote:
exactly. so the user doesn't have to go through the pain of doing it him or herself.
Yep no pain and no downtime! But does that make it slower though? That's what I wonder.
Only during the writing processing. You may notice that you're just sitting there, minding your own business, just surfing the web maybe and all of a sudden you notice a lot of disk activity. This happens about a few times a day, and during that time of course, the machine is only a little slower. But it's usually pretty quick and benficial. No worries if you have a bad shutdown either, it's very unlikely for there to be anything wrong with the file system because of its journaling techniques.

Linux really sounds like fun...

I just need a deticated box that I can put what I want on it!

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fernan82 · Post by **fernan82** » Thu Mar 06, 2003 1:12 am

All versions of Windows after 9x don't require that you go offline to defrag......... also you can use a defragmenter other than the ms one on win98...... i use Diskeeper Server Edition on my server, I got it setup to defrag everyday at 3AM .........that way it don't even take 10 mins to defrag both of my hd's since it's done daily......

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Red Squirrel · Post by **Red Squirrel** » Thu Mar 06, 2003 1:16 am

Yeah mine does since my firewall has a bug in it that makes it start spitting messages boxes until it drains all the memory, if I run the defrag. I could run without a firewall....

But I will give diskkeeper a try next time, I heard of it a few days ago only. Knew of fit before but never knew it was free.

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fernan82 · Post by **fernan82** » Thu Mar 06, 2003 1:28 am

Actually is not free................but you can get it here:

Server

h**p://www.softwareshelf.com/downloads/diskeep ... Srv427.exe

Workstation

h**p://www.softwareshelf.com/downloads/diskeep ... Wks427.exe

Home

h**p://www.softwareshelf.com/downloads/diskeep ... rHE427.exe

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Red Squirrel · Post by **Red Squirrel** » Thu Mar 06, 2003 1:55 am

hmm, what I got must of been a demo then. I did not install it yet.

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fernan82 · Post by **fernan82** » Thu Mar 06, 2003 2:13 am

musted been a 30-day trial................. btw. why do i got to login everytime even if i choose to remember me?

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Red Squirrel · Post by **Red Squirrel** » Thu Mar 06, 2003 12:26 pm

I don't know why it does that. It does it to Windstalker too. It usually keeps me loged in (I do close the site sometimes

).

I'll have to look into it, I think it has to do with the time it stays logged in. There's no setting anywhere though, that I know of.

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