Further cleaning of Luna

Shadow · Post by **Shadow** » Fri Oct 10, 2008 3:33 am

To continue the cleaning process that Squirrel has started in the Luna plot area, if you have an empty plot that has been there, it will be dropped by Sunday. No warning, no nothing. I'm tired of passing in Luna and seeing all these empty plots everywhere or someone just adding a door to the plot, thinking that that's using the plot. It make the shard look bad and won't be happening anymore. If you own such an exclusive spot like Luna, it will be a general understood rule that you will use that space for decoration or storage, whatever you want. NO blank plots in Luna anymore. Plot must have some complete structure and must look like the owner is using the plot. If not, the plot will be dropped. Tiles do not save your plot. Just decorating the floor with a tile here and there. No. Adding just a door...no. Having a closed structure but no items, ok. As long as there's SOMETHING on that plot that is being used.

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d. · Post by d. » Fri Oct 10, 2008 12:15 pm

It should be people's choice what they want to do with their plot. They should have the right to have their house plots however they want.

PS: I hope you like the door I put on one of Damien's plots.

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Death · Post by **Death** » Fri Oct 10, 2008 12:34 pm

Shadow wrote:To continue the cleaning process that Squirrel has started in the Luna plot area, if you have an empty plot that has been there, it will be dropped by Sunday. No warning, no nothing. I'm tired of passing in Luna and seeing all these empty plots everywhere or someone just adding a door to the plot, thinking that that's using the plot. It make the shard look bad and won't be happening anymore. If you own such an exclusive spot like Luna, it will be a general understood rule that you will use that space for decoration or storage, whatever you want. NO blank plots in Luna anymore. Plot must have some complete structure and must look like the owner is using the plot. If not, the plot will be dropped. Tiles do not save your plot. Just decorating the floor with a tile here and there. No. Adding just a door...no. Having a closed structure but no items, ok. As long as there's SOMETHING on that plot that is being used.

I would give more time for that. Give a couple of weeks as not everyone will be able to make it online (Especially as this weekend is a Canadian holiday). Place a warning note in the house plots for houses which need walls. Also, I would get it approved by squirrel.

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Friar · Post by **Friar** » Fri Oct 10, 2008 5:58 pm

What kind of rule is that? So the next GM that doesnt like brick walls will demand everyone to rebuild their houses? LOL..if there is such a rush on housing in Luna proper then I will put my house in the Mall forums to see if I get any takers...

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Red Squirrel · Post by **Red Squirrel** » Fri Oct 10, 2008 7:20 pm

Luna is equivalent to "high value housing". In such an area IRL If some guy starts to build a house and then just abandons it, the city would actually take over and do something about it.

The first thing players who join the shared see is luna. If they see a bunch of unfinished houses it gives the shard a bad first impression. Basically, what we want is that if someone is going to own a luna house, that they actually use it.

Even myself I don't own one even though I pretty much had first dibbs when the shard started. I don't really play, so my house is actually elsewhere.

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Shadow · Post by **Shadow** » Fri Oct 10, 2008 7:26 pm

No, it's the idea that people have placed blank plots in Luna for weeks now. I've passed the same plots, check the owners, same owner, nothing on the plot. And I mean NOTHING. It's actually already a rule that SOMETHING must be on the plot, already placed in. I'm just enforcing the rule now and giving everyone a chance to recover and put something there. So, we'll say a few weeks and then the plots are probably going to go.

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d. · Post by d. » Fri Oct 10, 2008 7:32 pm

Red Squirrel wrote:Luna is equivalent to "high value housing". In such an area IRL If some guy starts to build a house and then just abandons it, the city would actually take over and do something about it.

The first thing players who join the shared see is luna. If they see a bunch of unfinished houses it gives the shard a bad first impression. Basically, what we want is that if someone is going to own a luna house, that they actually use it.

Even myself I don't own one even though I pretty much had first dibbs when the shard started. I don't really play, so my house is actually elsewhere.

That is a poor comparison to real life.

A blank plot in UO would be more represenative to a plot of land IRL. Of course, a realestate broker would sell the plot of land to a new developer to create housing. Likewise, in UO, a blank plot is someones way to claiming property in a particular area, and it is their choice if they want to keep it for themselves or sell it.

Also, it is arguable that from certain perspectives blank plots are actually a good thing. If a new player comes to demise and sees blank plots, they may assume the people who own the plots are more likely to sell them simply because they have not invested much time into them. If Valor was completely full of houses fully customized, with intricate deco, and tons of chests weighing thousands of stones, new players would be more likely to assume the people would never sell their house simply because of the sheer amount of time put into it. Forcing players to do things with their plots is kind os ridiculous, in the sense you can already force the decay process for people who are inactive.

People in fully deco'd houses that are inactive players are on the same level of people with blank plots who are very active according to your logic.

Trying to take it any further is just silly.

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Red Squirrel · Post by **Red Squirrel** » Fri Oct 10, 2008 7:41 pm

And this is why we give a lot of time. Chances are if a plot stays blank that long the person does not actually play anymore. Give it an extra month or two and it would go idoc anyway. Instead we're creating space for active players to place.

This also encourages people to sell their property to more active players, knowing they could loose everything. We will RARELY touch houses outside of luna walls/area.

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d. · Post by d. » Fri Oct 10, 2008 7:42 pm

Red Squirrel wrote:And this is why we give a lot of time. Chances are if a plot stays blank that long the person does not actually play anymore. Give it an extra month or two and it would go idoc anyway. Instead we're creating space for active players to place.

So if chances are high that people who own blank plots are inactive, they already loose their plots when you force the decay timer, there is no need to force active players to put certain things on their plots.

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Hrnac · Post by **Hrnac** » Fri Oct 10, 2008 10:35 pm

I think it is a fair rule as long as some sort of grace period is used to allow those who might not play often a chance to deal with their Luna house.

-Hrnac

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Friar · Post by **Friar** » Fri Oct 10, 2008 11:34 pm

I think if there were a high demand for housing in Luna it would be an ok thing I guess, but thats not the case or they'd want to buy or trade for them

Seeing blank plots is a lot better than seeing no houses, which a few shards I've checked out is the case...u can place in Luna same day u join...lol

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Shadow · Post by **Shadow** » Sat Oct 11, 2008 12:05 am

We're going to give a good amount of time to be able to take care of the plots. It was discussed and that's more than equal. If you drove through a neighborhood with run down houses or empty plots, you wouldn't want to live in that area unless you had to. Like Squirrel said, these are the first things players see when they leave. We're not asking a lot, just show that you value the lot you've received or give it to someone that wil. And, I've talked to a bunch of players through the last few months that wanted a plot in Luna. So, it IS in high demand, everyone would LOVE a plot there. We're not trying to take an argument here. We're just stating what the future plans are and are giving time to take care of it. Please take care of it and there will be no problems. 3 weeks seems fair

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