Glory of Heavy Drinking

[Stasi]

"[They think we're] sloppy, unladylike, low class,'" she wrote in a recent instant message conversation. "[But] I've noticed when college boys do stupid things when they're drunk, they're just being boys."

Guy or girl, you're all at least a little pathetic. So many people where I work seem to be almost unable to socialize outside of work unless there is alcohol involved. And they talk about how smashed they got on their days off as though it's something to be proud of. It's no surprise that so many of my coworkers have at least one DUI.

http://www.cnn.com/2007/HEALTH/12/10/face....ref=mpstoryview

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[minime]

and were do u work ? , i work for a hardwood flooring company if u get a dwi or dui your fired they dont play game's with drunk's

the law need's to be harder on the dui's or (dwi) same thing , people think it's a joke to drink and drive , they need to start locking people up for 5-7 year's for this . i bet then the number's of dwi dui will go down . also i think the age need to be moved to like 28 or 30 , it used to been 18 and now this 21 wow 3 year's no wonder y there is so many dwi's


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[scherzo]

also i think the age need to be moved to like 28 or 30 , it used to been 18 and now this 21  wow 3 year's no wonder y there is so many dwi's

I would think that lowering the age would result in fewer dui's - or at least more reasponsible drinking, besides it is middle age who are more apt to .dui

178,950 DUI arrests (not convictions)(490 per day) -- 8 arrests per 1,000 licensed drivers:

        84.8% Male
        Average age - 33.5

Lower the F*cking age, it isn't a SIN, - Jesus after all did turn water into wine, and used wine for communion. Do you believe for one second that during the last supper, Jesus passes around a 'thimble' of wine?


IF it were up to me, I would abolish a drinking age of any kind, and eliminate the 'sin' tax associated with alcohol.

It isn't that I'm a 'drinker' at all, however the governments view and tax on alcohol makes you wonder why we simply just don't have our paychecks deposited into their bank accounts, and they simply supply us with what (they think) we need.




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[minime]

also i think the age need to be moved to like 28 or 30 , it used to been 18 and now this 21  wow 3 year's no wonder y there is so many dwi's

I would think that lowering the age would result in fewer dui's - or at least more reasponsible drinking, besides it is middle age who are more apt to .dui

178,950 DUI arrests (not convictions)(490 per day) -- 8 arrests per 1,000 licensed drivers:

        84.8% Male
        Average age - 33.5

Lower the F*cking age, it isn't a SIN, - Jesus after all did turn water into wine, and used wine for communion. Do you believe for one second that during the last supper, Jesus passes around a 'thimble' of wine?


IF it were up to me, I would abolish a drinking age of any kind, and eliminate the 'sin' tax associated with alcohol.

It isn't that I'm a 'drinker' at all, however the governments view and tax on alcohol makes you wonder why we simply just don't have our paychecks deposited into their bank accounts, and they simply supply us with what (they think) we need.

i understand what your saying butt im sure someone that is jewish will not agree with jesus making wine , im just saying diffent people belive in diffent thing's
also dui's ant alway's drunk's it can also be people hi on drug's (meth,crack ect) , now dwi is drunk's , so for that reason i belive the above number's are not all drunk's

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[Red Squirrel]

I personally don't drink alcohol, but I don't see anything wrong AS LONG as you don't get drunk. When you get drunk you're basicaly abusing your body and letting the alcohol make your decisions. I do not tollerate any acts made due to people being drunk. Too many stupid things happen that are 100% preventable.

For example a drunk dad went for a ride with his kids (a 1 year old and 2 year old) and crashed the car in the ditch. It was -40 out, the two kids froze to death. Had he not been drinking that would not of happened. (forget where this was, but it was recent)

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[scherzo]

I personally don't drink alcohol, but I don't see anything wrong AS LONG as you don't get drunk.  When you get drunk you're basicaly abusing your body and letting the alcohol make your decisions.  I do not tollerate any acts made due to people being drunk.  Too many stupid things happen that are 100% preventable.

For example a drunk dad went for a ride with his kids (a 1 year old and 2 year old) and crashed the car in the ditch.  It was -40 out, the two kids froze to death.  Had he not been drinking that would not of happened.    (forget where this was, but it was recent)

I read that in the paper as well, it was out west like edmonton, and If i'm not mistaken 'the father' was native

I don't mind if someone gets drunk, and I might even endorse it, however as for the reasponsibilites, it must be addressed prior to drinking. For myself, IF and when I drink, that is all that I do, I will not drink 'mid day' only after everything is done, and all you need do is go to bed.




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[Red Squirrel]

Yeah thats not as bad, if you have no plans at all after. I remember going to a party and people would even give me their keys before and tell me to not give it to them no matter what, at the end of the night. They may be getting drunk but at least they're doing it responsibly, so that I have less of a problem with.

And its so fun to watch people that are drunk.

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[Clueless]

Lower the F*cking age, it isn't a SIN, - Jesus after all did turn water into wine, and used wine for communion. Do you believe for one second that during the last supper, Jesus passes around a 'thimble' of wine?

They didn't drink straight wine back then, they mixed water with it, it was like 1 part wine to 10 parts water or something. and when they had celebrations it was watered down less, but there was still water in it. they had to put wine in their water cuz the water wasnt safe to drink otherwise. so you couldnt really get all that drunk unless you drank like a ton of it.

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[scherzo]

Lower the F*cking age, it isn't a SIN, - Jesus after all did turn water into wine, and used wine for communion. Do you believe for one second that during the last supper, Jesus passes around a 'thimble' of wine?

They didn't drink straight wine back then, they mixed water with it, it was like 1 part wine to 10 parts water or something. and when they had celebrations it was watered down less, but there was still water in it. they had to put wine in their water cuz the water wasnt safe to drink otherwise. so you couldnt really get all that drunk unless you drank like a ton of it.

first i've heard of this, and it does sound reasonable, however I will disagree with the statement,

"water wasnt safe to drink otherwise"

water from wells are filtered naturally, nevermind Populations were No where Near modern days, and didn't have any chemicals

And Second, Romans had an extensive aquaduct system which carried water from fresh sources, Mountains, meltwater, streams etc. etc.

I would say the water they had was Far better than ours, this wouldn't disprove they (could) have mixed wine with water, but if they mixed it - I would say it was because their wine process didn't have the preservitives we have. I would believe the Wine wasn't safe to drink before the 'water'



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[Red Squirrel]

Actually wine then was more like juice, an every day drink. it was probably more grape juice then the wine we know today. I don't even think it had actual alcohol in it, it was just crushed grapes.

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[Stasi]

If someone hasn't learned how to drink responsibly by middle age, then lowering or abolishing the minimum drinking age isn't likely to do much. Like you said, the responsibility comes from a person's background prior to drinking.

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[scherzo]

Actually wine then was more like juice, an every day drink.  it was probably more grape juice then the wine we know today.  I don't even think it had actual alcohol in it, it was just crushed grapes.

This maybe, however it doesn't help clueless' argument.


nevermind, alcohol requires More water to void from the human body. i.e if you drink 1 liter of wine, in order to get rid of it from the body you need to drink pure water (perhaps .25 litre), otherwise your body will dehidrate. You are better to drink your own urine than any type of alcohol, watered down or not.


To counter 'squirrels' view on it, I might suggest that IF it was 'juice' then where does the origin of wine come from, and how is it popular? If this grape juice was a better use of grapes than 'wine' why make wine?

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[Clueless]

Lower the F*cking age, it isn't a SIN, - Jesus after all did turn water into wine, and used wine for communion. Do you believe for one second that during the last supper, Jesus passes around a 'thimble' of wine?

They didn't drink straight wine back then, they mixed water with it, it was like 1 part wine to 10 parts water or something. and when they had celebrations it was watered down less, but there was still water in it. they had to put wine in their water cuz the water wasnt safe to drink otherwise. so you couldnt really get all that drunk unless you drank like a ton of it.

first i've heard of this, and it does sound reasonable, however I will disagree with the statement,

"water wasnt safe to drink otherwise"

water from wells are filtered naturally, nevermind Populations were No where Near modern days, and didn't have any chemicals

And Second, Romans had an extensive aquaduct system which carried water from fresh sources, Mountains, meltwater, streams etc. etc.

I would say the water they had was Far better than ours, this wouldn't disprove they (could) have mixed wine with water, but if they mixed it - I would say it was because their wine process didn't have the preservitives we have. I would believe the Wine wasn't safe to drink before the 'water'

well i dont kno for sure if thats why they mixed it with water, its just what i heard, but they did mix it. and they werent drinking grape juice either, it wouldnt keep, they had to turn it into wine to preserve it. and just cuz the romans had water systems like that doesnt mean that israel or the other countrys around there did

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[scherzo]

If someone hasn't learned how to drink responsibly by middle age, then lowering or abolishing the minimum drinking age isn't likely to do much.  Like you said, the responsibility comes from a person's background prior to drinking.

Consequently 'raising' the age would provide less opportunity to 'learn' to drink responsibly.

abolishing the minimum age would provide 'exposure' of alcohol to children and remove any 'taboo' associated to 'drinking'. Nevermind children will not enjoy 'spirts' it is an aquired taste. With exposure, and a distaste for alcholhol and no minimum age, there will be no 'right of passage' when they reach the minimum age.

But minimum age is only part of my dislike on the 'view of alcohol' Taxes are in Ontario,

Beer taxes are 46.5% of what you pay when you buy a case.



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[Stasi]

I've known people who started drinking in their preteens, or earlier and still party hard. All I'm saying is that I've seen little to no evidence that earlier drinking makes for more moderate drinking.

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[scherzo]

well i dont kno for sure if thats why they mixed it with water, its just what i heard, but they did mix it. and they werent drinking grape juice either, it wouldnt keep, they had to turn it into wine to preserve it. and just cuz the romans had water systems like that doesnt mean that israel or the other countrys around there did

alcohol level in spirits is 40% and it is very common to mix this for any type of 'mixed' drink

wine by comparison averages on 11% and beer 4-5%

however by volume the alcohol consumed is the same, consequently there is a saying,
'a drink, is a drink, is a drink'

one once of spirits is equal to one glass of wine, and is equal to a bottle of beer. You can get drunk just the same.

These levels are agreed upon and are standards of modern day, however it is doubtful, the same can be said of 2000 years ago.

The fact they Mixed water with wine only supports 'earlier' times pre-occupation with drinking. Alcohol likely didn't keep, and would have to be consumed quickly, The later more likely to be mixed with water, rather than throw it out.

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[scherzo]

and just cuz the romans had water systems like that doesnt mean that israel or the other countrys around there did

they may have not had (use) of extensive aqueducts, but surely this demonstrates they had knowledge of 'bad' water. an 'aqueduct' would only be practical where large populations exist, Large populations consequently would have 'sanitary' issues, smaller areas fed by well wouldn't have.

so either small town, or larger city, they knew of issues surrounding water. Wine process may make water 'sanitary' by boiling, however mixing wine with water not 'boiled' only contaminates it again. And also doesn't address the 'dehydration' issue surrounding the consumption of alcohol. There had to be a 'clean' source of water to 'void' the alcohol, and to mix with alcohol. But however with a clean source of water, and 'drinking' so much a 'sin' why mix it? why not just drink the clean water?

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[scherzo]

[ so you couldnt really get all that drunk unless you drank like a ton of it.

That is 'unbelievable'. first there is a limit to what can be drunk before you actually drown your body. The amount of alcohol by percentage would either allow you to

a. get drunk, or
b. die of drowning

If this act of 'mixing' was so common place, then it begs the question, was it possible to get drunk at all?

one wouldn't have to look far to figure that one out

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[Stasi]

[ so you couldnt really get all that drunk unless you drank like a ton of it.

That is 'unbelievable'. first there is a limit to what can be drunk before you actually drown your body. The amount of alcohol by percentage would either allow you to

a. get drunk, or
b. die of drowning

If this act of 'mixing' was so common place, then it begs the question, was it possible to get drunk at all?

one wouldn't have to look far to figure that one out

How can you drown from drinking?

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[scherzo]

[ so you couldnt really get all that drunk unless you drank like a ton of it.

That is 'unbelievable'. first there is a limit to what can be drunk before you actually drown your body. The amount of alcohol by percentage would either allow you to

a. get drunk, or
b. die of drowning

If this act of 'mixing' was so common place, then it begs the question, was it possible to get drunk at all?

one wouldn't have to look far to figure that one out

How can you drown from drinking?

Drinking too much water can lead to a condition known as water intoxication, From the cell's point of view, water intoxication produces the same effects as would result from drowning in fresh water.

source : http://chemistry.about.com/cs/5/f/blwaterintox.htm


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[Stasi]

I know about that, but that's not drowning. Drowning is when you get too much fluid in your lungs and can't get oxygen as a result....

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