The Illuminati

[Reaper]

I seriously laughed when I read the title of this article. And at many other things on the site.

The Illuminati Hired Hitler

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[Clueless]

my dad has a game called Illuminati

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[flowergirlajg]

lol

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[scherzo]

There is a very serious disturbing line written in the 'pianist' where european Jews blamed American Jews (who were bankers) for not manipulating America to join the war

This tought either true, false, conspiracy theory is very disturbing as anyone would even think it is possible.

I don't subscribe to the above links conspiracy However I do know that war does benefit, and is very profitable.

wether conscience effort or coincedence America profited very very well from WW2, Vietnam war was concidered the testing ground for the new NATO bullet and other new weapons

The cold war has seen leaps and bounds in espinoge, technology, survalence, space explorations - AND it seen many liberal definations of civil rights, movements, etc

but now the cold war is over there is a growing trend of loss of rights, privilages, etc.

Unions, civil groups, social welfare, civil rights and nearly in every part of freedom is being taken away and it continues to get worse - THIS I DO NOT FIND A COINCEDENCE

IMO - the war on terror isn't about winning in IRAQ, it is about taking away freedoms in AMERICA - NATO - and the rest of the world

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[Stasi]

However I do know that war does benefit, and is very profitable.

Profitable for which actors in a war? A very simplistic statement that sounds more like 'knowing because someone said so and it sounded good' versus actual research into economic and geopolitical complexities affected by war. I would argue more that it is the threat of war that is profitable, and not so much its execution.

wether conscience effort or coincedence America profited very very well from WW2

It was certainly a bit of both. The economic 'benefits' America saw from World War 2 occurred largely due to the following:

- The US saw very little conflict on its own soil and didn't suffer the decimation of its industrial or population centers that other allied and axis nations experienced.

- Because of the above, other allied nations bought a number of supplies and equipment from the US and continued doing so after the war with loans, trade rights, etc.

- As a proportion of its population (and thus its workforce), American casualties in WW2 were rather insignificant, compared to Germany, the USSR, France, Britain, Japan, etc.

I've heard people claim that WW2 brought the US out of the Depression, when in reality, the US economy had been rebounding since 1935 and based on per capita real GDP, it was on track to surpass pre-1930-crash levels by 1940. There is no doubt that the surge in industry during WW2 contributed to accelerated growth in that time period, but if only every nation involved in a war could be as geographically isolated, safe, and relatively untouched as the States were. In the history of war, the way the US 'profited' was relatively rare.

Vietnam war was concidered the testing ground for the new NATO bullet and other new weapons

Okay, but did the US profit from the Vietnam War and in what ways?

but now the cold war is over there is a growing trend of loss of rights, privilages, etc.

What rights and privilages have you lost since the US-USSR Cold War ended?

Unions, civil groups, social welfare, civil rights and nearly in every part of freedom is being taken away and it continues to get worse - THIS I DO NOT FIND A COINCEDENCE

Unions - When those who run the unions operate as if the employees of industries serve to make them wealthier and more powerful, I'd say do away with them. What purpose do they now serve?

What 'civil groups' are being taken away or are getting worse?

Which civil rights have you lost?

What evidence supports your assertion that 'nearly in every part of freedom is being taken away'?

IMO - the war on terror isn't about winning in IRAQ, it is about taking away freedoms in AMERICA - NATO - and the rest of the world

Since its inception, when was the 'War on Terror' only about winning in Iraq? And why would it be about taking away freedoms, not only in the US, but NATO allies, and the rest of the world?

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[scherzo]

What evidence supports your assertion that 'nearly in every part of freedom is being taken away'?

you are right to have me identify specifics rather than general observations however it is also a two way road, either you disagree or agree with the statement, I would not need specifics if you agree.

without being a member of civil liberty groups, off the top of my head I would say the patriot act ranks up there as #1

social reform would also be high

right to gather in public is also gone (without a licence)

Legal protection to be active in a union is gone

fbi is allow to activate your phone without your concent

you can no longer protest on Mr. Bush's road

traffic light cameras eliminate the right to face your accuser

anti begging laws




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[Stasi]

you are right to have me identify specifics rather than general observations however it is also a two way road, either you disagree or agree with the statement, I would not need specifics if you agree.

I disagree with the assertion that 'nearly in every part of freedom is being taken away'. However, I do agree that protection of civil liberties has eroded to an extent. I take issue with the idea that since the Cold War, our freedoms have been consistently eroded.

without being a member of civil liberty groups, off the top of my head I would say the patriot act ranks up there as #1

Agreed, and I oppose the efforts to make the Patriot Act a permanent piece of legislation. However, I do not oppose some reduction in civil liberties when security needs call for it.

social reform would also be high

What social reform? People can call universal health care or racist segregational supremism as social reform.

right to gather in public is also gone (without a licence)

I assume you're talking 'cause' gathering like protests, etc. I can agree with that for the most part. I've never protested or organized a protest or public gathering so I can't say what kind of red tape is necessary.

Legal protection to be active in a union is gone

I couldn't care less about unions in this day and age. The day unions will respect and allow employees of a union industry/business to NOT join the union, exorcise themselves from politics, cease corporate extortion, and clean up corruption, I will at least respect them.

fbi is allow to activate your phone without your concent

I couldn't care less if the FBI activated my phone. They are not the all-powerful, all-encompassing, near omnipotent government organization that the media sometimes portray them as. And as I don't use my cell phone for illegal, shady, or otherwise dubious activity, I know that whatever they thought they'd find out would show that their resources are being wasted by further surveillance of that nature.

you can no longer protest on Mr. Bush's road

I'd hardly consider this some major erosion of civil liberties.

traffic light cameras eliminate the right to face your accuser

That's incorrect. When law enforcement tickets you, you can appear in court and ask for a trial, and thus face your accuser.

anti begging laws

Anti-begging laws are not new.

By looking through the history of civil rights and civil liberties in this country, you'll find that they are cyclical. They rise and fall as different administrations take power, and fluctuate based on the 'context of society'. I'm not particularly worried about the 'Gestapo' or 'KGB'.

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