Update [Dec 30 07] - AI tweaks and stuff

Red Squirrel · Post by **Red Squirrel** » Sun Dec 30, 2007 8:29 pm

* Christmas trees which are not in a house can now be removed by anyone, if the placer is a player or is null.

* Changes have been made to the way TC1 works. Rather then staff deeds being given out, some GM commands are now available to players.

* Fixed Cu sidhe rezing. They would try to rez you but keep using another bandage too early. Found a way to have it check if the last bandage completed rather then use a set time/formula. Adopted this method into the mob AI too for mobs that have healing. (Cu sidhes don't use the AI as they need to be able to target their master too)

* Pet notoriety now matches master's So lets say a tamer is murderer then the pets will be red too.

* Did some tweaks to AI a bit

* Creatures now use the special shots of their own weapon, unless it is overridden

* Special shots now work on ranged weapons for creatures

* New chars are no longer auto added to public chat channel, to join type [chat, click the gold circle then check the public checkbox.

* Some mobs such as ronins can now swap weapons mid battle, and will re-equip when disarmed

* Ore elementals can now spawn as paragons if mined up in ilshenar

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Red Squirrel · Post by **Red Squirrel** » Sun Dec 30, 2007 10:27 pm

Rebooted and removed the Pet notoriety code, I did not realize the issues that would cause, like stopping people from recalling after healing their pet, and such.

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Death · Post by **Death** » Sun Dec 30, 2007 11:10 pm

Red Squirrel wrote: * Special shots now work on ranged weapons for creatures

Hotness. Now I can finish twaulo.

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sliptongue69 · Post by **sliptongue69** » Mon Dec 31, 2007 12:38 am

That mean we can expect paralyze and mortal from rat archers?

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Red Squirrel · Post by **Red Squirrel** » Mon Dec 31, 2007 12:43 am

Yeah think rat archers use regular bows if I'm not mistaken. Though think for those mobs I should make a special "dummy bow" that has no specials

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sliptongue69 · Post by **sliptongue69** » Mon Dec 31, 2007 12:47 am

Or make it so only "humans" can use specials?

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DOCTOR THUNDER · Post by **DOCTOR THUNDER** » Mon Dec 31, 2007 6:37 am

sliptongue69 wrote:That mean we can expect paralyze and mortal from rat archers?

I just did baracoon and I got paralyzed quite a bit. Nothing that caused me to die, but it caught me off guard at first. I do not think I was mortaled at all though.

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Death · Post by **Death** » Mon Dec 31, 2007 3:04 pm

sliptongue69 wrote:That mean we can expect paralyze and mortal from rat archers?

Goes by the weapon skill of the attacker. Rat archers have a low skill in weaponry (Under 90 I believe, maybe 78 or 80 or something). Therefore they (Like players) can only activate paralyze special shot (The first one) as the second special shot requires 90 skill.

I think it adds a little pizzaz to the game but it might be a bit overwhelming in certain champs (lol orc with the orc scouts that's gonna be annoying). On its own it should prove to be amusing though.

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Red Squirrel · Post by **Red Squirrel** » Mon Dec 31, 2007 3:10 pm

I'll leave it as it is for now and if it comes where its too much I can make it so only human like mobs are affected.

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theindigothief · Post by **theindigothief** » Mon Dec 31, 2007 4:15 pm

Red Squirrel wrote:*
* Did some tweaks to AI a bit

* Creatures now use the special shots of their own weapon, unless it is overridden

* Special shots now work on ranged weapons for creatures

Death of the Melee Dexxer anyone? Now you go up against even swoop you have a chance of getting wtfpwnt. Add in changelings using your own weapons . . . how I get auto-killed from half life and I am running 130 hp.

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theindigothief · Post by **theindigothief** » Mon Dec 31, 2007 4:17 pm

Just got hit for 70+ hp from a paragon swoop. Twice.

Might be leaving this shard pretty soon the way melee dexxers keep getting the shaft.

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Death · Post by **Death** » Mon Dec 31, 2007 4:24 pm

Ya we'll probably just restrict it to human like mobs.

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Red Squirrel · Post by **Red Squirrel** » Mon Dec 31, 2007 4:45 pm

Swooop has always did AI. I've killed it plenty of times with my melee dexxer. Sometimes I die, but it usually goes down pretty fast before it has time to do enough damage.

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theindigothief · Post by **theindigothief** » Mon Dec 31, 2007 4:55 pm

Well try it now. Try all of the named mobs in weald now actually. I used to solo every one of them.

But don't worry about it. Ill be trying out Divinity. Hopefully you guys will get this melee dexxer nerf under way and move on from there.

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sliptongue69 · Post by **sliptongue69** » Mon Dec 31, 2007 4:55 pm

theindigothief wrote:Just got hit for 70+ hp from a paragon swoop. Twice.

Might be leaving this shard pretty soon the way melee dexxers keep getting the shaft.

Want some cheese?

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theindigothief · Post by **theindigothief** » Mon Dec 31, 2007 4:59 pm

I was looking to find the link where you cried to mess with archers . . . but its gone. :/

Naw I don't want cheese. I want to know how much playtesting went in before this "fix" happened. What type of characters were considered in this "fix" and what mobs were looked at when implimenting this.

Because it just seems one-sided.

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Red Squirrel · Post by **Red Squirrel** » Mon Dec 31, 2007 5:02 pm

1. the AI tweaks did not affect swoop AT ALL, in fact, swoop is not even using the Super_AI algorthm, its just melee.

2. Swoop is probably the easiest named creature on the server. See rpv:
http://login.uovalor.com/stuff/swoop_12-31_16.55.rpv
This is a regular char not a GM.

3. Only human mobs will be using wep specials of the wep they have wielded, but again, this wont affect swoop, only rat archers and such.

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theindigothief · Post by **theindigothief** » Mon Dec 31, 2007 5:05 pm

Have you used your Necro Dexxer today to confirm this?

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Death · Post by **Death** » Mon Dec 31, 2007 5:07 pm

theindigothief wrote: Death of the Melee Dexxer anyone? Now you go up against even swoop you have a chance of getting wtfpwnt. Add in changelings using your own weapons . . . how I get auto-killed from half life and I am running 130 hp.

As changelings mimick you, they will also gain the abilities of the weapon you were holding when they copied you.

Swoop is a special case because it is a named creature and its special shots are actually overrided and non weapon specific (Swoop is given AI and double shot). That's pretty much the only reason swoop can do these special shots (It's also the reason why a mongbat doesn't walk up and do paralyzing blow on you). Swoop has been doing these since day 1.

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theindigothief · Post by **theindigothief** » Mon Dec 31, 2007 5:12 pm

Firstly, Im talking about the number of times it does it. Ibe veen getting double AI-Crushing Blows from all the named mobs in the 20 mins I was there. Secondly it doesnt do double shot, it does crushing blow.

All I am saying is that before something like this gets implimented I think there needs to be more playtesting. This is a HUGE thing for the fact that a lot of people(me included) prefer to PvM here more then anywhere else.

I know I am starting shit, and Im sorry.

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Red Squirrel · Post by **Red Squirrel** » Mon Dec 31, 2007 5:26 pm

We can do like demise and "test" but never release stuff, or put it in when we tested everything we can think of, then fix when problems arises. I choose method #2, its MUCH faster.

Also changelings are meant to mimic you so depending on how powerful your template is, then it may be hard. When me and death did travesty everything it would turn into his char I was pretty much dead.

PVM is not suppose to be teddy bears giving you loot without any effort. You're also in one of the hardest dungeons.

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Death · Post by **Death** » Mon Dec 31, 2007 5:32 pm

theindigothief wrote:Firstly, Im talking about the number of times it does it. Ibe veen getting double AI-Crushing Blows from all the named mobs in the 20 mins I was there. Secondly it doesnt do double shot, it does crushing blow.

All I am saying is that before something like this gets implimented I think there needs to be more playtesting. This is a HUGE thing for the fact that a lot of people(me included) prefer to PvM here more then anywhere else.

I know I am starting shit, and Im sorry.

Ah you're right about crushind blow. Haven't looked into that script for awhile and was taking a guess at that one. As for the intensity part, there's a chance that it did affect the overrides and made it so that they did it more often. That part we'll check into.

Also, when scripts make it onto live, they are essentially being "play tested". We trap the major things and known issues on the test shard but in order to find all the bugs and problems, it pretty much has to be test run with the players before it can truly be perfected (Such as the AI). Some things may be annoying or difficult when a new change goes in but chances are it will progressively get fixed up and tweaked as more information we discover or the players discover become available (In your case, the intensity of the special shots).

OSI has test servers where they can test things with tons of players and demise is essentially runuo's "test server". We unfortunately do not have that luxury. Even then some bugs will get through and annoy or anger players (IE: Demise fukiya darts being bugged). AOV's bugs get fixed a hell of a lot faster though.

I know I am starting shit, and Im sorry.

Poiting out a problem area so we can fix it is not starting shit and actually benefits the shard. We create the shard for the players and it's up to them to tell us of problem areas so we can improve upon them so your comments and concerns are appreciated.

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theindigothief · Post by **theindigothief** » Mon Dec 31, 2007 6:24 pm

But the point is Red, this is not actually making PvM much different. For most of the farming templates it makes no difference at all(mage, tamer, archer and whatnot.)

But melee dexxers now are unviable.

Just my 2 cents. I used to be able to do Twisted Weald and it was fun. Now I die to two Changlings. Don't even want to imagine Irk/Spite and whatnot.

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sliptongue69 · Post by **sliptongue69** » Mon Dec 31, 2007 9:00 pm

theindigothief wrote:I was looking to find the link where you cried to mess with archers . . . but its gone. :/

Naw I don't want cheese. I want to know how much playtesting went in before this "fix" happened. What type of characters were considered in this "fix" and what mobs were looked at when implimenting this.

Because it just seems one-sided.

I've put up with archer for a while now...only just complained about it recently. You got on about this ai change immediately. It also wasn't a fix...it is merely a "tweak".

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theindigothief · Post by **theindigothief** » Tue Jan 01, 2008 11:37 pm

sliptongue69 wrote:
Logan wrote:Good. Let's make it a habit.
When gaunt gets changed back.

sliptongue69 wrote:
Red Squirrel wrote:lol your still on that?
Told ya, I won't be back to play until it's back to a better increase.

Logan wrote:There are a lot of other things that we can enjoy in game aside from just gaunt.
Gaunt is the only place that has anything I'm after right now. I'm not spending half a day trying to figure out a way to get to dreadhorn alone anyway.

Of course, you can cry but when I point out a one-sided nerf what happens?

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