those 2 statements contradict each other, if shes gone through so many boyfriends then how could she have truly loved them?Listerlnx666 wrote: give me a break, she's only had about 10 other boyfriends........she knows love
because they are love childs and they love everyone... 
I agree with you on that, any girl you goes thru bf's is looking for something she isnt getting at home, or has other issues from family life.Clueless wrote:those 2 statements contradict each other, if shes gone through so many boyfriends then how could she have truly loved them?Listerlnx666 wrote: give me a break, she's only had about 10 other boyfriends........she knows love
That is the best advice to any person on this forum dont invest more into anyone than you can afford to lose, I had to learn that lesson twice, it hurt, but you dont let it stop you but you learn that every time you think you feel something for someone it may not be "love" but just a feeling that you dont understand that could lead you down a bad path.
Sometimes Victor can be so brilliant!!! 
Listen to this statement!VictorEM83 wrote: How is this different? I mean I dont know the whole story but at the place you are I dont think your able to be the stable person in her life. crap Im almost 23, have a full time job, my own place, and car. Yet I know if I find ms. right it wouldnt be right why? because I realize I have a lot I want to do in my life, before I get married before I settle down.
Getting your heart set on her isnt a good idea at 16 we see how your last crush turned out. Dont follow the same path keep some distance and learn that girls will break your heart so dont invest more than your ready to lose with this girl or any girl.
That is the best advice to any person on this forum dont invest more into anyone than you can afford to lose, I had to learn that lesson twice, it hurt, but you dont let it stop you but you learn that every time you think you feel something for someone it may not be "love" but just a feeling that you dont understand that could lead you down a bad path.
Yes I am and danm proud!Listerlnx666 wrote:VictorEM83 wrote: How is this different? I mean I dont know the whole story but at the place you are I dont think your able to be the stable person in her life. crap Im almost 23, have a full time job, my own place, and car. Yet I know if I find ms. right it wouldnt be right why? because I realize I have a lot I want to do in my life, before I get married before I settle down.
Getting your heart set on her isnt a good idea at 16 we see how your last crush turned out. Dont follow the same path keep some distance and learn that girls will break your heart so dont invest more than your ready to lose with this girl or any girl.
That is the best advice to any person on this forum dont invest more into anyone than you can afford to lose, I had to learn that lesson twice, it hurt, but you dont let it stop you but you learn that every time you think you feel something for someone it may not be "love" but just a feeling that you dont understand that could lead you down a bad path.
yeah, I agree with you.......but I'm gonna hold on to this relationship as long as I can, and see where I go from there.....it may not be the best decision, but hey, I'll find out for myself, thanx for the advise though Victor, I thought you were just an assho*e at first, no offense, but I guess I was wrong....thanx neway
la735 wrote: So whats going on with this girl? do you get to see her anymore or what?
It seems to me with this situation of going behind her parent's backs, that you really have no interest in ever gaining the good graces of her parents. If this relationship were to ever lead to marriage, you would be marrying into her family, but you would already be in a strained relationship with them. You might say, "I'm not even thinking about marriage," but where do you expect relationships to lead? Either you will marry her, or you will break up with her, and she certainly doesn't need the drama she'll face in two years when she is 16 and is wondering if her 19-year-old boyfriend is going to keep waiting for her. Give her a break. Don't keep putting her in a situation where she is doing things without her parent's knowledge or permission.Listerlnx666 wrote:la735 wrote: So whats going on with this girl? do you get to see her anymore or what?
yeah, I do get to see her still, almost every day, it's just that we have to keep it secret now, which really sucks, but I don't want to leave her for anything. And to answer victor's post, she is turning 14 in a month, so it'll be the same. I just turned 17. And yes, I realize that they could call the cops on me, but then I could turn them over and tell the cops to seach their house and give them U.A's, and they would find something. We kinda have eachother by the balls, lol. And like I said, her parents don't know about us going out now or ever, they don't think we ever have. They don't know we've been going for almost 4 months.
Yes so it seems, but your 17, you have been in and out of foster homes and that doesn't give you much credit in the cops eyes. Plus unless they have hard drugs on them like coke crack, heroin, meth, or acid they will just get a ticket. With Acid it attempted manslaughter per does of acid found and the others are a week or so in jail for personal use and a half year to 2 years for selling quantities.Listerlnx666 wrote:la735 wrote: So whats going on with this girl? do you get to see her anymore or what?
yeah, I do get to see her still, almost every day, it's just that we have to keep it secret now, which really sucks, but I don't want to leave her for anything. And to answer victor's post, she is turning 14 in a month, so it'll be the same. I just turned 17. And yes, I realize that they could call the cops on me, but then I could turn them over and tell the cops to seach their house and give them U.A's, and they would find something. We kinda have eachother by the balls, lol. And like I said, her parents don't know about us going out now or ever, they don't think we ever have. They don't know we've been going for almost 4 months.
SHE DOESN'T NEED HER PARENTS PERMISSION TO LOVE WHO SHE WANTS!! she pust herself in this "situation". And her parents have no right to tell her who she can and can not love. I do want to get in the good graces of her parents, believe me, thats one of my highest priorities. One of the things I want the most is for us to be accepted by everybody. And yes, it is behind her parents' backs, but that's only because they won't even allow her to be where I am. If they would stop being so overprotective and hypocrytical, things would be so much better. All I want is acceptance, nothing more.....nobody, and I mean NOBODY will stop us from seeing eachother, and that's all there is to it. Not her parents, not mine; not her friends, not mine....nobody. And yes, I have had some thoughts about marrage, and yes I do know that I have to get in her parents good graces for that. And to tell you the truth, I was actually planning on talking with them to make them hate me just that much less. I want to show them that I'm not such a bad person, and that I have no wrong intentions toward their daughter. I will also tell them how I fell and what I think about them from what I hear, and I will expect no less from them. I only want to be able to talk to her parents without them not even aknowlaging anything I say. My main goal is to show them who I really am....Bookworm wrote:It seems to me with this situation of going behind her parent's backs, that you really have no interest in ever gaining the good graces of her parents. If this relationship were to ever lead to marriage, you would be marrying into her family, but you would already be in a strained relationship with them. You might say, "I'm not even thinking about marriage," but where do you expect relationships to lead? Either you will marry her, or you will break up with her, and she certainly doesn't need the drama she'll face in two years when she is 16 and is wondering if her 19-year-old boyfriend is going to keep waiting for her. Give her a break. Don't keep putting her in a situation where she is doing things without her parent's knowledge or permission.Listerlnx666 wrote:la735 wrote: So whats going on with this girl? do you get to see her anymore or what?
yeah, I do get to see her still, almost every day, it's just that we have to keep it secret now, which really sucks, but I don't want to leave her for anything. And to answer victor's post, she is turning 14 in a month, so it'll be the same. I just turned 17. And yes, I realize that they could call the cops on me, but then I could turn them over and tell the cops to seach their house and give them U.A's, and they would find something. We kinda have eachother by the balls, lol. And like I said, her parents don't know about us going out now or ever, they don't think we ever have. They don't know we've been going for almost 4 months.
I never said she needs her parent's permission to love. You are purposely shifting the focus here because you want to have your way in spite of her parent's wishes. She DOES need her parent's permission to be with you. YOU are putting her in a position of going behind her parent's backs.Listerlnx666 wrote:
SHE DOESN'T NEED HER PARENTS PERMISSION TO LOVE WHO SHE WANTS!!
She is just a child, a thirteen-year-old child. She still has a lot to learn, but YOU are responsible for your role in her rebellion against her parent's. She may very well rebel even if you were not around, but you are the one we are talking to here, not her, so you have the responsibilty to do the right thing.she pust herself in this "situation".
How are you ever going to get in the good graces of her parent's with the attitude that you are going to do what you want to do and nobody is going to stop you?I do want to get in the good graces of her parents, believe me, thats one of my highest priorities...........nobody, and I mean NOBODY will stop us from seeing eachother, and that's all there is to it. Not her parents, not mine;
So what person are you going to show them? A person who wants the best for their daughter, or a person that nobody is going to stop and that's all there is to it?My main goal is to show them who I really am....
she put herself in the "situation" because she is a 13yr old girl who is trying to grow up. She doesn't need her parents permission to love who she wants, your right. However, she needs to live her life and find out what love is first before settling into a serious relationship with a 17yr old man. Here is the difference, she is a girl and you are almost a grown man. HUGE difference...HUGE. Think about this please. If you really cared about her and loved her like you say you do, let her go. Let her grow up, live her life as you wanted when you were 13. Let her be a teeny bop and go to sleep overs and drool over rock stars and start shopping for bra's. While you are learning the ropes to adult hood as you should be. If it is true love. You will in time cross paths and be together.SHE DOESN'T NEED HER PARENTS PERMISSION TO LOVE WHO SHE WANTS!! she pust herself in this "situation".
You know how your going to get in the good graces of her parents? Leave her alone. Let her grow and let her move on with her life. You show no respect for her parents, why should they like you or even approve of you. Age does matter in this situation. I'm sorry, I know you hurt and I know it's hard but you really need to get a grip on yourself here and for both your sakes you need to let her go.I do want to get in the good graces of her parents, believe me, thats one of my highest priorities. One of the things I want the most is for us to be accepted by everybody.
They love their daughter. You will not understand until you are a parent someday. We as parents don't want to make our children miserable, we want them to have everything in life that we did not have. A chance at a good education, a good job and then a good family. Not marriage at 16 and struggling through life with nothing and going nowhere tied down with kids at 18. I don't care if you say your not sexually active right now or not, there is noway that if you don't stop carrying on with her withing 6months to a year you will become sexually active out of attraction and lust. Things that get mistrued for love. Then what, oh wait she will be 14 so then it's ok? No it's not. Again, you need to let her go.And yes, it is behind her parents' backs, but that's only because they won't even allow her to be where I am. If they would stop being so overprotective and hypocrytical, things would be so much better.
Ding! Ding! Ding!!!! Dude she is 13 and you are having thoughts of marriage.....she has only had her menstral cycle for maybe 1 - 2 years...she is just becoming a young woman. You are ready for committment or think you are, her she is just starting to figure things out. You need to let her go.All I want is acceptance, nothing more.....nobody, and I mean NOBODY will stop us from seeing eachother, and that's all there is to it. Not her parents, not mine; not her friends, not mine....nobody. And yes, I have had some thoughts about marrage,
I'm sure you don't have any wrong intentions but i gaurantee talking to them will not make them like you or make them change their minds. You could be a rich kid that looked like doogie howsard MD and there is not a chance in HELL they are going to approve of this and why because she is 13!! What don't you get about that...dude....let her go.I was actually planning on talking with them to make them hate me just that much less. I want to show them that I'm not such a bad person, and that I have no wrong intentions toward their daughter.
Why don't you do just that, be a man and show them who you really are....let her go and they will respect you much much more. they will not take you for a silly kid who is trying to influence their daughter or a silly guy that is trying to ruin their daughters life. They will look at you as a man and someone who has respected them and their daughter. If it was I, I would much rather be the second option.My main goal is to show them who I really am....
I've seen it happen with my friends too, and the old saying goes, love hurts.ill be 19 in less than a weekRed Squirrel wrote: Love seems to screw up with people, I need a girlfriend bad since I'll turn 20 soon and never had a real one, but on the other hand, I realize how nice it is to be away from the whole drama situations and stuff.
finally someone who isnt all about getting laid! it seems like thats all people care about these days!Listerlnx666 wrote:I don't really give a damn about getting laid as much as being together, I just want to be with her......VictorEM83 wrote: Its better for you her parents are like that you will get more out of it and she is at the age rebelling is cool so it will be to your benifit that they dont approve so she will rebel more and you will get laid more.
. it seems like parents are always like that. you cant do this, you cant do that blah blah blah... it would feel nice just to tell them that you dont give a crap about all the damn things that they think you shouldnt do 
