Yet another thing to ponder on

Anonymous · Post by **Anonymous** » Thu Sep 30, 2004 11:36 pm

If God is the father of all, why would he behave like a much larger and angrier human being?

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Bookworm · Post by **Bookworm** » Thu Sep 30, 2004 11:41 pm

Define your terms. How does He behave like a "larger" human being and in what way do you consider him angry?

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Anonymous · Post by **Anonymous** » Thu Sep 30, 2004 11:43 pm

Bookworm wrote: Define your terms. How does He behave like a "larger" human being and in what way do you consider him angry?

Think of the many things HE has done in the Bible. Also, if God truly was a benevolent creature, he simply would not damn people to hell for not believing in him.

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Bookworm · Post by **Bookworm** » Thu Sep 30, 2004 11:58 pm

First of all, God is not a creature. A creature is something that is created, and God is the one who has done the creating. The problem came when His creation decided to rebel against Him. First Satan, then mankind, and then man has the nerve to rail against God for being mean.

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Anonymous · Post by **Anonymous** » Fri Oct 01, 2004 12:05 am

Bookworm wrote: First of all, God is not a creature. A creature is something that is created, and God is the one who has done the creating. The problem came when His creation decided to rebel against Him. First Satan, then mankind, and then man has the nerve to rail against God for being mean.

Tell me this: If He ordered you to sacrifice your daughter, would you? Never mind why, it is not for us to determine why. Just a yes or a no.

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Bookworm · Post by **Bookworm** » Fri Oct 01, 2004 12:14 am

Nonsense question. God doesn't make demands on me that are anathetical to His character. You even realized this as you asked the question or you would not have make the qualification that I couldn't question why.

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Anonymous · Post by **Anonymous** » Fri Oct 01, 2004 12:20 am

Bookworm wrote: Nonsense question. God doesn't make demands on me that are anathetical to His character. You even realized this as you asked the question or you would not have make the qualification that I couldn't question why.

If he does not make demands on you that are anathetical to His character, why had he asked Abraham to sacrifice his son? I know how he stopped Abraham before he did it, but why, in the first place, did he ask? And did Abraham ask why?

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Bookworm · Post by **Bookworm** » Fri Oct 01, 2004 12:35 am

Isaac actually asked Abraham on the way up the mountain, "Behold, the fire and the wood: but where is the lamb for a burnt offering?" And Abraham said,"My son, God will provide himself a lamb for a burnt offering." Abraham knew God had promised an entire nation of people to descend from Isaac, and he knew God would keep that promise. If it meant that God would stop him before the sacrifice, or if it meant that God would raise up Isaac afterwards, Abraham didn't know, but He had faith in God, and it was that faith that God was testing. And Abraham's statement that God would provide a lamb was a prophesy of Jesus Christ. When John the Baptist first saw Christ, he said, 'Behold, the Lamb of God, which taketh away the sins of the world."

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Anonymous · Post by **Anonymous** » Fri Oct 01, 2004 1:28 am

Bookworm wrote: Isaac actually asked Abraham on the way up the mountain, "Behold, the fire and the wood: but where is the lamb for a burnt offering?" And Abraham said,"My son, God will provide himself a lamb for a burnt offering." Abraham knew God had promised an entire nation of people to descend from Isaac, and he knew God would keep that promise. If it meant that God would stop him before the sacrifice, or if it meant that God would raise up Isaac afterwards, Abraham didn't know, but He had faith in God, and it was that faith that God was testing.

Exactly. Would you obey, if you were placed in the same situation, with just as much knowledge as Abraham?

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MrSelf · Post by **MrSelf** » Fri Oct 01, 2004 3:06 am

I personally don't believe much in the old testament, that's the reason Jesus was sent, the old testament was completely messed up, and we needed a fresh start.

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Cicero · Post by **Cicero** » Fri Oct 01, 2004 8:08 am

There was a programme on tv last night about the bible code, where some fellas managed to find some codes or manipulated letters to make prophesies, in the first 5 books of the Bible.. So, if the bible code is real then in 2006 were all

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FloodG8-9595 · Post by **FloodG8-9595** » Fri Oct 01, 2004 12:36 pm

I think this clearly involves what you consider to be God.. The God in the old testiment was a vengfull God, The God in the new testiment seemed to have a softer hand and voice.

I take God to be a sort of fate "ka" to use a Stephen Kingism. I belive there is Karma, an eb and flow to life itself and I take that to be God or the Will of God, if you would put it into those terms.

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erolyn · Post by **erolyn** » Fri Oct 01, 2004 5:58 pm

William Wallace wrote:
Bookworm wrote: Define your terms. How does He behave like a "larger" human being and in what way do you consider him angry?

Think of the many things HE has done in the Bible. Also, if God truly was a benevolent creature, he simply would not damn people to hell for not believing in him.

That's not God, honey, that's religion, which is Man's interpretation of God. They're two totally different things. Religions damn people to hell, we have no idea if hell even exists. Or if God exists, for that matter. And the Bible was written by humans as well, so for all we know, ths could all just be a big joke.

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Bookworm · Post by **Bookworm** » Fri Oct 01, 2004 8:28 pm

William Wallace wrote:
Bookworm wrote: Isaac actually asked Abraham on the way up the mountain, "Behold, the fire and the wood: but where is the lamb for a burnt offering?" And Abraham said,"My son, God will provide himself a lamb for a burnt offering." Abraham knew God had promised an entire nation of people to descend from Isaac, and he knew God would keep that promise. If it meant that God would stop him before the sacrifice, or if it meant that God would raise up Isaac afterwards, Abraham didn't know, but He had faith in God, and it was that faith that God was testing.

Exactly. Would you obey, if you were placed in the same situation, with just as much knowledge as Abraham?

Since I have the full Bible, and Abraham didn't, I have more knowledge than Abraham had, and if someone spoke to me telling me to kill my daughter, I would know it wasn't God. Why are you so insistant on this question? I suspect you are ready to pounce on a yes answer with some generalization about people who obey God. I freely acknowledge that many "religious" people have used "obedience to God" as an excuse to do wicked things in this world, and I am not about to defend them. I also don't intend to answer an unrealistically hypothetical question with extreme conditions attached. Would it really tell you anything if I said that if I were in EXACTLY the same conditions as Abraham, with EXACTLY the same knowledge, that I hope I would display EXACTLY the same level of faith that Abraham showed?

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Anonymous · Post by **Anonymous** » Fri Oct 01, 2004 8:58 pm

Bookworm wrote:
William Wallace wrote:
Bookworm wrote: Isaac actually asked Abraham on the way up the mountain, "Behold, the fire and the wood: but where is the lamb for a burnt offering?" And Abraham said,"My son, God will provide himself a lamb for a burnt offering." Abraham knew God had promised an entire nation of people to descend from Isaac, and he knew God would keep that promise. If it meant that God would stop him before the sacrifice, or if it meant that God would raise up Isaac afterwards, Abraham didn't know, but He had faith in God, and it was that faith that God was testing.

Exactly. Would you obey, if you were placed in the same situation, with just as much knowledge as Abraham?

Would it really tell you anything if I said that if I were in EXACTLY the same conditions as Abraham, with EXACTLY the same knowledge, that I hope I would display EXACTLY the same level of faith that Abraham showed?

Oh, it would tell me so much. Right now, your evasiveness of this question betrays you. If you had said yes, I would still respect you, but I would know you have much faith in God, more than most mortal men. This can be either good or bad. If you had said no, I would have known that you do not bind yourself to god as violently as, well, as Red.

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Chyse · Post by **Chyse** » Fri Oct 01, 2004 9:06 pm

hahaha, red, u got owned!!!

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MrSelf · Post by **MrSelf** » Fri Oct 01, 2004 9:41 pm

William Wallace wrote:
Bookworm wrote:
William Wallace wrote:

Exactly. Would you obey, if you were placed in the same situation, with just as much knowledge as Abraham?

Would it really tell you anything if I said that if I were in EXACTLY the same conditions as Abraham, with EXACTLY the same knowledge, that I hope I would display EXACTLY the same level of faith that Abraham showed?

Oh, it would tell me so much. Right now, your evasiveness of this question betrays you. If you had said yes, I would still respect you, but I would know you have much faith in God, more than most mortal men. This can be either good or bad. If you had said no, I would have known that you do not bind yourself to god as violently as, well, as Red.

Do you ever say anything nice?

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Bookworm · Post by **Bookworm** » Fri Oct 01, 2004 11:55 pm

William hasn't been anything but nice in my conversation with him. He is simply calling my evasiveness for what it is. I really don't know what I'd do in his hypothetical situation. I don't want to say "no" and be disobeying God, and I don't want to say "yes" and seem willing to kill my daughter, so I'm evasive. The fact that God may seem to act in ways that our logical human minds cannot understand does not mean that God is in some way vengeful or angry. It could mean that our logical human minds may not see the full picture in the same way that God sees it.

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MrSelf · Post by **MrSelf** » Sat Oct 02, 2004 3:20 pm

I find it completely lacking in tact.

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Anonymous · Post by **Anonymous** » Sat Oct 02, 2004 4:57 pm

MrSelf wrote: Do you ever say anything nice?

No.

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Anonymous · Post by **Anonymous** » Sat Oct 02, 2004 4:57 pm

MrSelf wrote: I find it completely lacking in tact.

I find it completely TO-THE-POINT.

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Red Squirrel · Post by **Red Squirrel** » Sat Oct 02, 2004 5:59 pm

I find your lack of faith disturbing.

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sintekk · Post by **sintekk** » Sat Oct 02, 2004 6:05 pm

Red Squirrel wrote: I find your lack of faith disturbing.

YOU WILL JOIN THE DARK SIDE!

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FloodG8-9595 · Post by **FloodG8-9595** » Sat Oct 02, 2004 6:11 pm

"Your lack of pasts distrubs me"

"Tk421 why arn't you in your pants"

"Where'd you pick up an old pants like that?"

"You came in those pants? you're braver than I thought"

"flying through hyperspace ain't like dusting pants boy"

"Great kid don't get pants"

"That's no moon thats pants"

"The pants are strong with this one"

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sintekk · Post by **sintekk** » Sat Oct 02, 2004 6:15 pm

"I cannot teach him. The boy has no pants."

"The Force is strong in my pants."

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