Page 1 of 1

RIAA sued for amnesty offer

Posted: Wed Sep 10, 2003 10:34 pm
by manadren_it
News.com Link

RIAA sued for amnesty offer

By Stefanie Olsen
Staff Writer, CNET News.com
September 10, 2003, 9:04 AM PT

A day after the Recording Industry Association of America filed a slew of lawsuits against alleged illegal song swappers, it became the target of legal action over its own "amnesty" program.

California resident Eric Parke, on behalf of the general public of the state, filed a suit Tuesday against the trade association because of its amnesty, or "Clean Slate," program, a provisional shield it introduced Monday that allows people to avoid legal action by stepping forward and forfeiting any illegally traded songs. The suit, filed in the Marin Superior Court of California, charges that the RIAA's program is a deceptive and fraudulent business practice.

It is "designed to induce members of the general public...to incriminate themselves and provide the RIAA and others with actionable admissions of wrongdoing under penalty of perjury while (receiving)...no legally binding release of claims...in return," according to the complaint.


"This lawsuit seeks a remedy to stop the RIAA from engaging in unlawful, misleading and fraudulent business practices," the suit reads.

The RIAA responded to the suit with a maxim: "No good deed goes unpunished, apparently."

"It's also unfortunate that a lawyer would try to prevent others from getting the assurances they want that they will not be sued," an RIAA representative wrote in an e-mail.

The complaint is the first legal retaliation to the RIAA's lawsuit campaign against individual file swappers. The trade group filed 261 lawsuits against computer users it said were exclusively "egregious" file swappers, marking the first time copyright laws have been used on a mass scale against individual Net users. The barrage of lawsuits signaled a turning point in the industry's three-year fight against online song-trading services such as Kazaa and the now-defunct Napster and one of the most controversial moments in the recording industry's digital history.

On Tuesday, the RIAA settled its first case with Brianna Lahara, a 12-year-old New York resident. The recording industry agreed to drop its case against the preteen in exchange for $2,000, a sum considerably lower than previous settlement arrangements. Legal actions by the RIAA had been taken on a sporadic basis against operators of pirate servers or sites, but ordinary computer users have never before been at serious risk of liability for widespread behavior.

After long years of avoiding direct conflict with file swappers who might also be music buyers, industry executives said they have lost patience. Monday's lawsuits are just the first wave of what the group said ultimately could be "thousands more" lawsuits filed over the next few months.

Under the RIAA's "Clean Slate" program, file swappers must destroy any copies of copyrighted works they have downloaded from services such as Kazaa and sign a notarized affidavit pledging never to trade copyrighted works online again.

But Ira Rothken, legal counsel for Parke, said after reviewing the RIAA's legal documents that the trade group provides no real amnesty for such file swappers. With the legalese, the trade group does not agree to destroy data or promise to protect users from further suits, Rothken said.

"The legal documents only give one thing to people in return: that the RIAA won't cooperate," Rothken said. "The RIAA's legal document does not even prevent RIAA members from suing."

The suit asks the court to enjoin the RIAA from falsely advertising its program.

CNET News.com's John Borland contributed to this report.


Archived topic from Iceteks, old topic ID:1310, old post ID:11522

RIAA sued for amnesty offer

Posted: Wed Sep 10, 2003 10:48 pm
by Red Squirrel
YES!!!!

They more than deserve it!


I hope these suits against the RIAA will keep going. I know alot of ISPs are working on it as well!

Archived topic from Iceteks, old topic ID:1310, old post ID:11525

RIAA sued for amnesty offer

Posted: Wed Sep 10, 2003 11:05 pm
by manadren_it
Is it just me or does everytime the RIAA do something they seem more and more evil. The moe and more I hear about the RIAA the less and less it seems that the RIAA is fighting for the artists' fair share. They are just some giant ugly behemoth abusing corporate power beause they can't control everything and can't adapt with heavy handed tactics.

Archived topic from Iceteks, old topic ID:1310, old post ID:11530

RIAA sued for amnesty offer

Posted: Wed Sep 10, 2003 11:08 pm
by Red Squirrel
Yeah that's true, I bet the artists are against them too.


I don't know what their point is with all this, since they are not helping no one, they are simply making themselves look more evil.

Archived topic from Iceteks, old topic ID:1310, old post ID:11532

RIAA sued for amnesty offer

Posted: Wed Sep 10, 2003 11:27 pm
by manadren_it
Yeah, I don't get that. To so consistantly alianeate their own customers to such extremes. They've got to be out of their minds. I guess they just have so much money and power that they think they don't have to worry about customers anymore. That they'll buy no matter what they do - yet at the same time they are losing so many sales because of p2p... makes my head hurt just thinking about it.

Archived topic from Iceteks, old topic ID:1310, old post ID:11537

RIAA sued for amnesty offer

Posted: Wed Sep 10, 2003 11:31 pm
by Wren
Anyone here subject to be on their hit list? :unsure:

Archived topic from Iceteks, old topic ID:1310, old post ID:11539

RIAA sued for amnesty offer

Posted: Thu Sep 11, 2003 12:03 am
by Red Squirrel
Not me, have not used kazaa in long. I'm more of a sharer than a downloader, and I can't share since I'm on a router. I could get a hub and have the router on one IP and a computer on the other and simply leave it on 24/7 leetching off network drives but just never bothered.

Archived topic from Iceteks, old topic ID:1310, old post ID:11543

RIAA sued for amnesty offer

Posted: Thu Sep 11, 2003 12:10 am
by Wren
It was funny...after I ask about the hit list, all of a sudden manadren and I were the only ones here! :roflmao2:

Archived topic from Iceteks, old topic ID:1310, old post ID:11544

RIAA sued for amnesty offer

Posted: Thu Sep 11, 2003 10:41 am
by wldkos
Wren wrote: It was funny...after I ask about the hit list, all of a sudden manadren and I were the only ones here! :roflmao2:
were dropping like flies!


Finally someone suing the RIAA. This reminds me of the SCO case, where everyone was just waiting for someone to take action against the evil do-ers.

Archived topic from Iceteks, old topic ID:1310, old post ID:11554

RIAA sued for amnesty offer

Posted: Thu Sep 11, 2003 1:09 pm
by manadren_it
I'm proabably not on the hit list, as I rearely use kazaa, and whne I do I use kazaa lite (has anti-riaa tools). My dad and sister use p2p a lot more than I do, but I think they primarily use winmx, and I know my dad has kazaa lite too. Now if they start looking toward bit torrent, then I might be in some trouble :lol:

Archived topic from Iceteks, old topic ID:1310, old post ID:11558

RIAA sued for amnesty offer

Posted: Thu Sep 11, 2003 4:26 pm
by syb
how do yuo use the riaa tools?

Archived topic from Iceteks, old topic ID:1310, old post ID:11564

RIAA sued for amnesty offer

Posted: Thu Sep 11, 2003 10:54 pm
by manadren_it
They are built in to new versions of Kazaa lite k++ edition, and I think they are turned on by default. Otherwise it's under privacy on the K++ Options dialog.

Get Kazaa Lite K++ here

Archived topic from Iceteks, old topic ID:1310, old post ID:11570

RIAA sued for amnesty offer

Posted: Fri Sep 12, 2003 12:38 pm
by Wren
What is the k++ edition? :blink:

Archived topic from Iceteks, old topic ID:1310, old post ID:11578

RIAA sued for amnesty offer

Posted: Fri Sep 12, 2003 3:18 pm
by manadren_it
Kazaa lite K++ edition - esentially Kazaa media desktop except with all the crap taken out, and enhanced searching, anti riaa privacy features, and other stuff added in.

What both Kazaa and the RIAA don't want you to know about.

Archived topic from Iceteks, old topic ID:1310, old post ID:11580

RIAA sued for amnesty offer

Posted: Fri Sep 12, 2003 9:45 pm
by Wren
It's all confusing to me anyway since I don't d'load music. :blink:

I read somewhere that Kazaa Lite is a cracked version of Kazaa. Anyone know about this? :unsure:

Archived topic from Iceteks, old topic ID:1310, old post ID:11596

RIAA sued for amnesty offer

Posted: Sat Sep 13, 2003 7:08 pm
by manadren_it
kinda sorta... that's why kazaa doesn't like it. It is a modified version of Kazaa, an unauthorized modified version. That's why recently Google was forced to remove links to Kazaa Lite sites under the DMCA. But it's not virusworm infested or anything. They just took out the ads and stuff, and added a few new features.

Archived topic from Iceteks, old topic ID:1310, old post ID:11621

RIAA sued for amnesty offer

Posted: Sat Sep 13, 2003 7:48 pm
by Wren
On some websites, you can't put a link to Kazaa Lite.

Archived topic from Iceteks, old topic ID:1310, old post ID:11623