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Download Music And Get Your Drive Formated

Posted: Sat Jun 21, 2003 8:51 pm
by Red Squirrel
I hope this is not passed, but if it is, I will see a big influx of windows users reverting to Linux, as the open source community comes up with a good linux file sharing app, which there probably is already.



http://www.chron.com/cs/CDA/ssistory.mpl/b...usiness/1961689

Senator's 'extreme' cure for piracy is unconstitutional
By DWIGHT SILVERMAN
Copyright 2003 Houston Chronicle

A powerful U.S. senator has a dream, and there's a chance that half of all Internet users are in it.

Actually, it's more like a nightmare, and it goes something like this:

You hop online to download some of the new Steely Dan CD, Everything Must Go.

Your reasons may vary, from wanting to hear more of a song you caught on the radio, to sampling the music before you buy, to, yes, maybe even getting the tunes without paying for them.

The last few times you did this, you received pop-up warnings from someone that your computer would be damaged if you continue to download copyright works.

Because it's the Internet, you can't be sure just who's sending those messages, so you ignored them.

You find the song you want, and you start downloading.

Suddenly, an error message appears, but before you can read it, your computer locks up and -- if you're lucky enough to be a Windows user -- you get the Blue Screen of Death.

You try to restart your system, but when it comes to the point where you'd hope to see the Windows startup screen, you are presented with the ominous phrase, "Operating system not found."

Welcome to a scenario envisioned this week by Sen. Orrin Hatch, R-Utah, during a hearing on copyright issues in Washington.

According to the Associated Press, Hatch -- himself a musician with several albums of inspirational and patriotic music to his credit -- asked witness Randy Saaf about what could damage computers involved in illegally trading music.

Saaf, president of MediaDefender, a company that tries to disrupt file-sharing networks on behalf of copyright holders, replied that "no one is interested in destroying anyone's computer."

"I'm interested," the news service quoted Hatch as responding. Hatch mused that such action "may be the only way you can teach somebody about copyrights."

He went on to describe a technology that would warn users twice about downloading, then "destroy their computer."

"If we can find some way to do this without destroying their machines, we'd be interested in hearing about that," he said.

"If that's the only way, then I'm all for destroying their machines. If you have a few hundred thousand of those, I think people would realize" the seriousness of their actions. Net denizens reacted with astonishment, then fury.

Laurence Simon, an unemployed Houston system administrator, checked the source code on Hatch's official Web site at www.senate.gov/~hatch/ and discovered it was using unlicensed software. Cries of hypocrisy echoed across message boards Netwide.

In the face of outrage, Hatch backpedaled a bit, saying in a news release he was really trying to get the music and technology industries to come up with "moderate remedies" to the file-sharing problem.

But, he added, "I do not favor extreme remedies -- unless no moderate remedies can be found."

Hatch's original statement could be dismissed as that of a crackpot if it were not for one thing: He's the head of the Senate's Judiciary Committee, and thus one of the nation's most powerful lawmakers.

(Not that there aren't any crackpots in Congress, mind you. To quote Mark Twain: "Suppose you were an idiot, and suppose you were a member of Congress; but I repeat myself.")

What makes it even more ominous is that there actually has been proposed legislation that would exempt copyright holders from the laws banning the destruction of computer data or the machines themselves by hackers. Rep. Howard Berman, D-Calif., told CNet's News.com that he plans to introduce such a bill soon.

Of course, there are all kinds of problems with this notion, not the least of which is destruction of private property without due process of law. The act of handing copyright holders -- i.e., corporations -- the right to destroy a user's computer connected via a public network would hopefully be quickly struck down as unconstitutional.

The idea is also naive at this point, because there are many more than "a few hundred thousand" users of peer-to-peer networks.

In fact, the NPD Group, a market research firm, earlier this month released a study that indicated half of all those who connected to the Internet in the month of May use file-sharing networks to grab some music, the New York Times reported. That is about 43 million people.

Also consider that the file-sharing software Kazaa is now the most-downloaded application on the Internet, bypassing the instant-messaging program ICQ, which had long been No. 1. As of Thursday morning, it had been snagged more than 238 million times from Download.com.

And that same morning, more than 4.3 million were logged on to Kazaa's network, sharing more than 892 million songs.

The picture is clear: File-sharing is no longer the hobby of a few college kids with dorm-room Ethernet connections and not enough money to buy overpriced CDs. It has become a cultural phenomenon, a socially acceptable practice across all walks of society.

It's been likened to speeding -- an illegal act -- but also one routinely practiced by most drivers and sporadically enforced at best. One critic of Hatch said his solution would be similar to having cars explode if they travel over the posted limit.

Although he's not thought of as a friend of the Internet -- he was a staunch supporter of the wrongheaded and unconstitutional Communications Decency Act -- Hatch generally is not considered to be as stupid as his comment would indicate.

Then again, to offer another quote attributed to Twain: "It is better to sit in silence and appear ignorant than to open your mouth and remove all doubt."

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Download Music And Get Your Drive Formated

Posted: Sat Jun 21, 2003 10:08 pm
by Chris Vogel
That is absolutely unacceptable! My father was telling me this, but with his lower than average computer knowledge, he didn't make much sense.

I don't think this will pass though. At least, I hope it won't.

<offtopic> I really like how they capitalised words like "Internet" and "Web". Hardly anyone does that. :( </offtopic>

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Download Music And Get Your Drive Formated

Posted: Sat Jun 21, 2003 10:36 pm
by Red Squirrel
takahita_tsukino wrote: That is absolutely unacceptable!  My father was telling me this, but with his lower than average computer knowledge, he didn't make much sense. 

I don't think this will pass though.  At least, I hope it won't.

<offtopic>  I really like how they capitalised words like "Internet" and "Web".  Hardly anyone does that. :( </offtopic>
I hate how some people have rights to hack into computers, but if the average joe just logs in an non authorized machine they get get these nasty penalties. If they give these type of rights - everyone should get them. I rather have hacking being totally legal, then having it illegal while some people (such as this case, and the RIAA) have the rights. It's an issue of fairness. They can hack us but if we hack back we get in trouble, and we can't report them, because they have the right. :rolleyes:

Also, it would sort of be more adventurous if hacking was legal. But also, many sites such as ours would always get DoS attacks as people would just be spreading stuff like crazy. But if they could have personal computer hacking legal but not server, it would be great, but then someone could run apache on their PC and say it's a server and it would cause confusion.

Easiest thing is to have hacking illegal as it is, but for EVERYONE! :yo:

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Download Music And Get Your Drive Formated

Posted: Sun Jun 22, 2003 7:47 pm
by manadren_it
heh, and in a stroke of irony, it seems that Mr. Hatch is himself.. A Pirate!!! (arrr!). Turns out that until recently his website was using a copyrighted menu system without having having paid the appropriate liscensing fees. Looks like his webserver should have been destroyed :lol:

http://www.wired.com/news/politics/0,1283,...3,59305,00.html

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Posted: Sun Jun 22, 2003 7:57 pm
by Chris Vogel
manadren wrote: heh, and in a stroke of irony, it seems that Mr. Hatch is himself.. A Pirate!!! (arrr!). Turns out that until recently his website was using a copyrighted menu system without having having paid the appropriate liscensing fees. Looks like his webserver should have been destroyed :lol:

http://www.wired.com/news/politics/0,1283,...3,59305,00.html
:roflmao2: :roflmao2:

That is so funny! :roflmao2: :roflmao2:

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Posted: Sun Jun 22, 2003 8:06 pm
by Red Squirrel
manadren wrote: heh, and in a stroke of irony, it seems that Mr. Hatch is himself.. A Pirate!!! (arrr!). Turns out that until recently his website was using a copyrighted menu system without having having paid the appropriate liscensing fees. Looks like his webserver should have been destroyed :lol:

http://www.wired.com/news/politics/0,1283,...3,59305,00.html
Yeah I heard of that, quite funny!

Piracy is just a way of life, and they have to learn to realize it's an every day thing. Just like Chevrolet being better than Ford, it's just something some agree, and some don't, but you just have to live with it. :lol:

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Download Music And Get Your Drive Formated

Posted: Sun Jun 22, 2003 8:57 pm
by manadren_it
Information wants to be free. It can be copied once or 1 million times, it can be distributed across the world or across the street, no worse for wear. And those who do the distributing tend not to do it out of malice, but generousity. Becasue when you copy information, it still remains in the oringal owners possesion. I hate to use christian references, but it's kind of like a modern, real-life example of how Jesus fed 5000 people using 2 fish and 5 small loaves of bread.

The problem is that the general consensus by most consumers has been that if you buy something, you should own it, and be able to do whatever you want with it. But the general consensus of businesses right now is that when you buy something, you should be buying a limited license to do certain things with it, but you never really own it in the first place.

Imagine if hospitals acted that way. "We just restored your vision, but you really don't own your vision, but rather license it, so if you use your vision to look at things that are not in the best interest of the hospital, we're going to revoke your license to your vision, and gouge your eyes out." ... now imagine if you had a pacemaker (!!)

But I digress. The point is, businesses are fighting the very nature of the digital medium, the very spirit of the internet, and the very source of their income, the people who buy their products. And in the spirit of corporat capitalism, they try to control instead of compromise.

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Download Music And Get Your Drive Formated

Posted: Sun Jun 22, 2003 9:46 pm
by Red Squirrel
I totally agree with that, so true!

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Download Music And Get Your Drive Formated

Posted: Mon Jun 23, 2003 3:41 am
by wldkos
I feel someone getting a nice big DDOS attack from linux and windows users world wide.


I can't quite remember the senators name though :P

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Download Music And Get Your Drive Formated

Posted: Mon Jun 23, 2003 12:09 pm
by Red Squirrel
Hehe, yep. They should impliment something in kazaa that pings that site every so and so time, everyone using kazaa all at the same time (millions of users) would take down that site before you can say "ping of death". :D

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Posted: Tue Jun 24, 2003 7:57 pm
by wldkos
I like the way you think.

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Posted: Tue Jun 24, 2003 8:00 pm
by Chris Vogel
wldkos wrote: I like the way you think.
I do too! I am glad he's on our side... :roflmao2:

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Posted: Tue Jun 24, 2003 8:55 pm
by Red Squirrel
takahita_tsukino wrote:
wldkos wrote: I like the way you think.
I do too! I am glad he's on our side... :roflmao2:
Something to be thankful for eh? :roflmao2: :P

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Posted: Tue Jun 24, 2003 10:54 pm
by manadren_it
remind me not to cross you :lol:

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Posted: Tue Jun 24, 2003 11:19 pm
by Red Squirrel
ok, will do. :D

Now, back to what I was doing (getting ready to release a bug-free program with no spyware that can access the kazaa network).

J/K :lol:

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