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FAQ (plz READ) Everything you have to know about this shard!

Posted: Thu Apr 05, 2007 7:39 pm
by Red Squirrel
[size=20pt]Age of Valor FAQ[/size]
Revised: Sept 24 2011

This is a general FAQ covering various topics and holding some resources for your enjoyment here at AoV. This saves from having too many stickies.

How do I connect?

See the guide here:
http://www.uovalor.com/razorconfig.php

What are the rules here?
See the rule thread here: http://www.uovalor.com/forum/viewtopic.php?t=331


Is there a page with server stats?
Right here: http://www2.uovalor.com/stats/reports.html


How many [nnn] items are on the server?
Check here: http://www2.uovalor.com/objects.txt
This list updates once a day during the shard backup job


Where can I find [nnn] creatures?
Download this file: aovspawners-output.map and put it in the same folder as UO Auto Map. This is not real-time but I try to keep it updated often enough.

To load it, open UOAM and right click anywhere and choose "Map" from the menu then choose "additional settings" and a dialog box will appear. Go to the "files" tab then click add and choose the aovspawns-output file. You will now be able to see exactly where the spawners are. They will show only the first 3 mobs, so it could be possible those spawners spawn other mobs as well.


What are AoAs and how do I get them?
AoAs are artifacts of assimilation and can be gotten the same way as treasures of tokuno. See this link for more details and a listing of each artifact:
Lessers
Greaters


how does the gauntlet work here?
Things work slightly differently in terms of how artifacts are distributed, and there are also a few custom artifacts.
See this link for more details:
list of doom artifacts


What are demitel artifacts?
These are usually rather valuable artifacts that can drop off any of the Demitel bosses.

See these links for more details:
List of artifacts
List of demitel bosses


Can I attack PKs in non felucca facets?
No, you cannot attack them and they cannot attack you. However if they die, they can be freely looted.


Is there any special commands I should know about?
There are a few custom ones that will make the game more enjoyable. View the command thread to see them or type [help.

What are masterpiece resources and weapons?
Masterpiece weapons are special weapons with points. Using special resources, you can add properties of your own chosing to power up your weapon.
http://www.uovalor.com/forum/viewtopic.php?t=1285

What are other things I should be aware of?
I try my best to keep this forum up to date with customs and other help documents:
http://www.uovalor.com/contentdb/

What kind of things are considered when coding?
We are two devs with lot of experience in coding, and not copy and paste masters like some other shards. Our main concern when coding is making the code modular for it to be used in other similar situations without having to reproduce it. (by using OOP techniques) Also we ensure it is server efficient, and that it can't crash. Security is also a big factor, we ensure it cannot be exploited.

In-game related things are also considered, like is it too hard or too easy, or too overpowered, etc.

I see posts about bugs and crashes, how can you say your code is of good quality?
We are humans, but here is the difference between us and other shards. Lot of other shards won't want to mention bugs, and some will even neglect to fix them. When we find a bug we jump on it right away and fix it before putting anything else new. We also tend to take update breaks to simply go around and fix minor issues that were marked as low priority.

What you get is a very high quality code base unlike any other shards, not even the official RunUO shards themselves can par to our quality.

How many servers does it take to run AoV?
Right now, just one for the shard itself. However, the web hosting is on a separate server and TC1 is also on another separate server. You can login to either the live or TC1 shard using one of these two login servers:

login.uovalor.com (prefered)
tc1.uovalor.com

How much does it cost to run this infrastructure?
The cost is about $100/month for the dedicated server. The hosting is $20/month but is used for other sites run by me as well and google ads cover that cost. TC1 does not cost anything to run as it is in my house.

I am trying to use uoam but cannot find it online
Try to download it from here:

http://www.onykage.com/forum/viewtopic.php?f=18&t=89

This is a setup done by one of our members to make it easier to get and install.

Does the server have a routine restart AKA Server Wars?
There is no scheduled restart, but we have a system to push updates on a "as needed" basis which will trigger a restart. There is normally a 30 minute notice and this usually happens in the evening (eastern time). Normally, we try to not restart often but after a major update, or for events, it is possible to get a restart per day for a week or so. A restart normally takes no more than 2 minutes then the shard is available again.

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Posted: Thu Apr 05, 2007 7:41 pm
by Lymus
You might wanna include the [fame/[karma, [list, and [artychance commands.

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Posted: Thu Apr 05, 2007 7:45 pm
by Death
I started this thread a long time ago on Demise and it has been used by many people who want to trade or talk in game. There is a lot of slang/game terms that new players might not be aware of. Here's a list of them.

Item Properities

DCI = Defense Chance Increase
DMI/DI = Damage Increase
EP = Enhance Potions
FC = Faster Casting
FCR = Faster Cast Recovery
HCA = Hit Cold Area
HCI = Hit Chance Increase
HD = Hit Dispell
HEA = Hit Energy Area
HFA = Hit Fireball Area
HLA = Hit Lower Attack
HLD = Hit Lower Defense
HLL = Hit Life Leech
HML = Hit Mana Leech
HPI = Hit Point Increase
HSL = Hit Stamina Leech
LMC = Lower Mana Cost
LRC = Lower Reagent Cost
MI = Mana Increase
MR = Mana Regeneration
MW = Mage Weapon
NS = Night Sight
SC = Spell Channeling
SC NO PEN/SC NO -1 = Spell Channeling without FC -1 penalty
SI = Stamina Increase
SR = Self Repair
SSI = Swing Speed Increase
UBWS = Use Best Weapon Skill

Weapons, Armor and Items

AOF = Armor of Fortune
AOH = Axe of the Heavens
ARCANE = Arcane Shield
ARTY = Artifact
ASH = Ancient smithing hammer (Usually followed by the skill of the increase)
BANES = Leggings of Bane
BLAZE = Blaze of Death
BLH = Black Lotus Hood
BOD = Bulk order Deed
BOH = Bracelet of Health
BOI = Blade of Insanity
BOR/BOTR = Blade of the Righteous
BREATH/BOTD = Breath of the Dead
BRSK = Barbed Runic Sewing Kit
CBD/CBDS = Clothing bless deed
DPH = Dread Pirate Hat
DRYAD/DB = The Dryad Bow
ELEMENTS/ROE = Ring of the Elements
GRIPS/STORM(S) = Stormgrips
GTOT = Greater Treasure of Tokuno
HH = Hunter's Headress
HKBP = Holy Knight's Breastplate
HL = Horselord
HOI/INSIGHT = Helm of Insight
HOL = Heart of the Lion
HOM = Hat of the Magi
HRSK = Horned runic sewing kit
INQUIS = Inquisitor's Resolution
JACKS/JACKALLS = Jackall's Collar
KASA = Kasa of the Raj-in
LEGACY = Legacy of the Dread Lord
LTOT = Lesser Treasure of Tokuno
MARTY/MARTIES = Minor artifact
NOX RANGER'S/NOX BOW = Nox Ranger's Heavy Crossbow
ORNATE CROWN = Ornate Crown of the Harrower
ORNY = Ornament of the Magician
PIGS = Pigments of Tokuno
PS = Powerscroll
PUGS = Gloves of the Pugilist
QUACK'S/QUACK'S CUTLASS = Captain Quacklebush's cutlass
RBC = Rune Beetle Carapace
ROE = Ring of the Elements
SHADOW DANCER'S/SDL = Shadow Dancer Leggings
SOM = Staff of the Magi
SOI = Shield of Invulnerability
SOP = Swords of Prosperity
SOS/STAMPEDE = Sword of the Stampede (Possibly the SOS item as well)
SRSK = Spined runic sewing kit
SS +25/STAT PS = Stat scroll (number can be +5, +10, +15, +20 or +25)
TASK = Taskmaster
TOF = Tunic of Fire
TOME/TOLK = Tome of lost knowledge
TOT(S) = Treasures of Tokuno
TOTEM = Spirit of the Totem
VILE/ROTV = Ring of the Vile
VOICE/VOFK = Voice of the Fallen King
ZERKER= Berserker's Maul
ZYRON/ZC = Zyronic Claw

Other

10K = 10,000 gp
10KK = 10,000,000 gp
AOS = Age of Shadows. The expansion of Ultima that first started the paladin and necromancy classes
AW = Ancient Wyrm
BAKE = Bake Kitsune
BRIT = Britain
BS = Generally refered to as "blacksmith" but can also be known as "bullshit"
BUCS/BUX = Bucaneer's Den
COON = Baracoon the piper
CTF = Capture The Flag
DD/DOM = Double Domination (Type of gm run battles concerning 2 teams and two bases)
ETHY = Ethereal Mount
FEL = Felucca
GP = Gold Pieces
HARRY = Harrower
IDOC = In Danger of Collapsing (Usually a house where people will sit and loot the goods after the house vanishes)
ILSH = Ilshenar
LTB = Looking to Buy
MARE = Nightmare
MEP/MEPH/MEPHI = Mephitis
MG = Moongate
MIL/M = Million(s) such as 10 Mil, 10M
NECRO = Necromancer
NOX = Short form for "poison"
OAKS = Lord Oaks
OSI = Origin Systems Inc.
PALLY = Paladin
PC = Price check
PVM = Players VS Monsters
PVP = Players VS Players
RC = Rotting Corpse
RIKKI = Rikktor
RU = Hiryu
SAMMY = Samurai
SEM/SEMI = Semidar
SS = Spirit Speak
SW = Server Wars (Time where 15 minutes of gameplay is not saved, so everyone pvp's in felucca brit or bucaneer's den. Happens at 1:00am eastern time).
T2A/LL = The Second Age. Refers to the area known as the Lost Lands.
TRAM = Trammel
TOK = Tokuno Islands
UOML = Ultima Online Mondain's Legacy. The newest expansion of Ultima. Introduces elves, peerless bosses, etc.
UOSE = Ultima Online Samurai Empire. Expansion of uo introducing hiryu, samurai, ninjas and tokuno islands
WTB = Want to Buy
WTS = Want to Sell
WW = White Wyrm

Slang/Game terms

AFK = Away from keyboard
ASAP = As Soon As Possible
BRB = Be right back
BRT = Be right there
BTW = By the way
CA/CS = Counter Attack/Counter Strike (Bushido special ability)
DS = Death Strike (Ninjitsu special ability)
EPEEN/EPEENING = Electronic Penis. Trying to make yourself look elite or better than everyone else. Boasting, saying that you can kick everyone's ass.
FELLUCAN = Rarely used but used to describe somebody who plays solely in felucca. Like a murderer. PK is used instead
FFS = For fuck sakes
FORUM PVP = When a thread turns into a huge battle of "I am better than you" or "you are noob because". Most of these threads get sent to the lich lord room.
FTW = For the win
FYI = For your information
IMO = In my opinion
IRL = In real life
JK = Just Kidding
JP = Just Playing
LOL = Laughing out loud
LMAO = Laughing my ass off (If something is so funny it surpasses the use of LOL, like when somebody gets WTFPWND)
LS = Lightning Strike (Bushido special ability)
MA = Magic Arrow
NOOB/NEWB = Used as an insult saying that somebody doesn't know what they're talking about, or they suck at the game.
OWNED = Usually said towards somebody who just got their ass handed to them (In other words, got PWND)
PK = Player Killer. Generally used to describe red hued characters (murderers) in felucca.
PWN/PWND = Getting beat by a monster or a player in a quick or brutal manner....like getting comboed and dying in 1 hit. Like saying "Owned"
QFT = Quote for truth
RAID = When somebody's champion spawn in felucca, is being taken over. Or vice versa, when you're taking over somebody's spawn.
ROFL = Rolling on the Floor Laughing
TRAMMY = Somebody who had spent most of their life in a non-pvp facet and does not know how to fight properly. Usually used as an insult.
TBH = To be honest
W00T = Expressing joy....like when an orny pops into your bag
WTF = What the Fuck
WTFPWND = Getting killed so fast and out of nowhere that you go "WTF just happened".

Sales and Trading

1/3 RING OR BRACE = First digit means the FC on the item. Second means the FCR on the item. So that being said, this item would be 1 FC/3 FCR

Studded Sleeves 5, 12, 15, 9, 8 = When a post is made where 5 numbers are shown like above, it refers to the item's resists (in order). So it would be 5% physical, 12% fire, 15% cold, 9% poison and 8% energy.

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Posted: Mon Oct 22, 2007 12:54 am
by hickman
bump

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Posted: Wed Apr 23, 2008 4:20 pm
by j4bber
Question about the aovspawners-output.map. How "close" to the x/y coords is the spawn actually? Is it a certain radius out from the location on the map or spawn is right on the location? I realize the cretures can wander, but jsut wondering about the initial spawning (ie when they first appear).

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Posted: Wed Apr 23, 2008 4:52 pm
by Death
j4bber wrote:Question about the aovspawners-output.map. How "close" to the x/y coords is the spawn actually? Is it a certain radius out from the location on the map or spawn is right on the location? I realize the cretures can wander, but jsut wondering about the initial spawning (ie when they first appear).
The map just shows where the spawner's origin is. Some creatures will spawn on exactly that spot (Usually in dungeons) while others have a very large homerange that can cover a very large radius (We're talking 300+ tiles here). These are usually reserved for spread creatures like birds and hinds.

If you're at a spawner and don't see anything, it can be 1 of 3 things:

1) You're at a long range spawner, just head to the origin of the spawner and run around. You should eventually see something depending on how long the range is (If it's like, 300 tiles, you may have to run around a bit before seeing something)

2) Your spawnfile is out of date. Spawns are frequently deleted, added, revamped and moved. If you're using a spawnfile and something seems out of whack or it seems like what you're looking for is not spawned in that area, try downloading the newest spawnfile on uovalor.com and replacing your old one.

3) You're at an inactive spawner or a spawner with a large respawn time. Spawns like chaos steed, holy war horses, demitel and other spawners with a large respawn time of a few hours all the way to a few weeks, may seem like they don't exist when they really do. It all depends on when the creature was killed/tamed last so if you missed it, you could be waiting a long time for another one to pop up.

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Posted: Wed Apr 23, 2008 6:00 pm
by Red Squirrel
If it says something like

spawner [creature,creature2] (R10 C5)

It means it has a range of 10 tiles, and has 5 creatures. Also note that it only lists the 3 first creatures, so you may find more then what it says. (spawners can spawn over 10 random types of creatures)

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Posted: Wed Apr 23, 2008 11:21 pm
by j4bber
Perfect. exactly what I was looking for...

thanks!

Edit: one last thing. I assume the range is a radius from the point of origin?

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Posted: Wed Apr 23, 2008 11:26 pm
by Red Squirrel
Yeah but the radius is actually a square. So given a spawner of range 3 it works like this:

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* * * * * * *
* * * * * * *
* * * * * * *
* * * S * * *
* * * * * * *
* * * * * * *
* * * * * * *

Where S is the spawner, and the stars are the tiles that a creature can spawn on.

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Posted: Wed Apr 23, 2008 11:40 pm
by j4bber
perfect.. Thanks!

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Posted: Thu Apr 24, 2008 12:18 am
by Death
j4bber wrote:perfect.. Thanks!
If you're going to use the spawnfile, I would update it at least once a month or when I post about massive spawner changes. Reason being is dungeons get a frequent re-analysis for difficulty, clusters and other issues that arrise such as slow/fast spawns so chances are if you're fought in one dungeon last month, 3 months later it might have been updated. Just as an example, destard has been modified on 5 separate occasions and is due for another pretty soon.

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Posted: Thu Apr 24, 2008 12:32 am
by Red Squirrel
I also have some future plans to look at how the google maps API works. now THAT would be awesome. Load up the shard in google earth. :D

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Posted: Tue Oct 19, 2010 11:29 pm
by jclouds
Death wrote:
Weapons, Armor and Items

AOF = Armor of Fortune
AOH = Axe of the Heavens
ARCANE = Arcane Shield
ARTY = Artifact
ASH = Ancient smithing hammer (Usually followed by the skill of the increase)
BANES = Leggings of Bane
BLAZE = Blaze of Death
BLH = Black Lotus Hood
BOD = Bulk order Deed
BOH = Bracelet of Health
BOI = Blade of Insanity
BOR/BOTR = Blade of the Righteous
BREATH/BOTD = Breath of the Dead
BRSK = Barbed Runic Sewing Kit
CBD/CBDS = Clothing bless deed
DPH = Dread Pirate Hat
DRYAD/DB = The Dryad Bow
ELEMENTS/ROE = Ring of the Elements
GRIPS/STORM(S) = Stormgrips
GTOT = Greater Treasure of Tokuno
HH = Hunter's Headress
HKBP = Holy Knight's Breastplate
HL = Horselord
HOI/INSIGHT = Helm of Insight
HOL = Heart of the Lion
HOM = Hat of the Magi
HRSK = Horned runic sewing kit
INQUIS = Inquisitor's Resolution
JACKS/JACKALLS = Jackall's Collar
KASA = Kasa of the Raj-in
LEGACY = Legacy of the Dread Lord
LTOT = Lesser Treasure of Tokuno
MARTY/MARTIES = Minor artifact
NOX RANGER'S/NOX BOW = Nox Ranger's Heavy Crossbow
ORNATE CROWN = Ornate Crown of the Harrower
ORNY = Ornament of the Magician
PIGS = Pigments of Tokuno
PS = Powerscroll
PUGS = Gloves of the Pugilist
QUACK'S/QUACK'S CUTLASS = Captain Quacklebush's cutlass
RBC = Rune Beetle Carapace
ROE = Ring of the Elements
SHADOW DANCER'S/SDL = Shadow Dancer Leggings
SOM = Staff of the Magi
SOI = Shield of Invulnerability
SOP = Swords of Prosperity
SOS/STAMPEDE = Sword of the Stampede (Possibly the SOS item as well)
SRSK = Spined runic sewing kit
SS +25/STAT PS = Stat scroll (number can be +5, +10, +15, +20 or +25)
TASK = Taskmaster
TOF = Tunic of Fire
TOME/TOLK = Tome of lost knowledge
TOT(S) = Treasures of Tokuno
TOTEM = Spirit of the Totem
VILE/ROTV = Ring of the Vile
VOICE/VOFK = Voice of the Fallen King
ZERKER= Berserker's Maul
ZYRON/ZC = Zyronic Claw

Other

10K = 10,000 gp
10KK = 10,000,000 gp
AOS = Age of Shadows. The expansion of Ultima that first started the paladin and necromancy classes
AW = Ancient Wyrm
BAKE = Bake Kitsune
BRIT = Britain
BS = Generally refered to as "blacksmith" but can also be known as "bullshit"
BUCS/BUX = Bucaneer's Den
COON = Baracoon the piper
CTF = Capture The Flag
DD/DOM = Double Domination (Type of gm run battles concerning 2 teams and two bases)
ETHY = Ethereal Mount
FEL = Felucca
GP = Gold Pieces
HARRY = Harrower
IDOC = In Danger of Collapsing (Usually a house where people will sit and loot the goods after the house vanishes)
ILSH = Ilshenar
LTB = Looking to Buy
MARE = Nightmare
MEP/MEPH/MEPHI = Mephitis
MG = Moongate
MIL/M = Million(s) such as 10 Mil, 10M
NECRO = Necromancer
NOX = Short form for "poison"
OAKS = Lord Oaks
OSI = Origin Systems Inc.
PALLY = Paladin
PC = Price check
PVM = Players VS Monsters
PVP = Players VS Players
RC = Rotting Corpse
RIKKI = Rikktor
RU = Hiryu
SAMMY = Samurai
SEM/SEMI = Semidar
SS = Spirit Speak
SW = Server Wars (Time where 15 minutes of gameplay is not saved, so everyone pvp's in felucca brit or bucaneer's den. Happens at 1:00am eastern time).
T2A/LL = The Second Age. Refers to the area known as the Lost Lands.
TRAM = Trammel
TOK = Tokuno Islands
UOML = Ultima Online Mondain's Legacy. The newest expansion of Ultima. Introduces elves, peerless bosses, etc.
UOSE = Ultima Online Samurai Empire. Expansion of uo introducing hiryu, samurai, ninjas and tokuno islands
WTB = Want to Buy
WTS = Want to Sell
WW = White Wyrm

Slang/Game terms

AFK = Away from keyboard
ASAP = As Soon As Possible
BRB = Be right back
BRT = Be right there
BTW = By the way
CA/CS = Counter Attack/Counter Strike (Bushido special ability)
DS = Death Strike (Ninjitsu special ability)
EPEEN/EPEENING = Electronic Penis. Trying to make yourself look elite or better than everyone else. Boasting, saying that you can kick everyone's ass.
FELLUCAN = Rarely used but used to describe somebody who plays solely in felucca. Like a murderer. PK is used instead
FFS = For fuck sakes
FORUM PVP = When a thread turns into a huge battle of "I am better than you" or "you are noob because". Most of these threads get sent to the lich lord room.
FTW = For the win
FYI = For your information
IMO = In my opinion
IRL = In real life
JK = Just Kidding
JP = Just Playing
LOL = Laughing out loud
LMAO = Laughing my ass off (If something is so funny it surpasses the use of LOL, like when somebody gets WTFPWND)
LS = Lightning Strike (Bushido special ability)
MA = Magic Arrow
NOOB/NEWB = Used as an insult saying that somebody doesn't know what they're talking about, or they suck at the game.
OWNED = Usually said towards somebody who just got their ass handed to them (In other words, got PWND)
PK = Player Killer. Generally used to describe red hued characters (murderers) in felucca.
PWN/PWND = Getting beat by a monster or a player in a quick or brutal manner....like getting comboed and dying in 1 hit. Like saying "Owned"
QFT = Quote for truth
RAID = When somebody's champion spawn in felucca, is being taken over. Or vice versa, when you're taking over somebody's spawn.
ROFL = Rolling on the Floor Laughing
TRAMMY = Somebody who had spent most of their life in a non-pvp facet and does not know how to fight properly. Usually used as an insult.
TBH = To be honest
W00T = Expressing joy....like when an orny pops into your bag
WTF = What the Fuck
WTFPWND = Getting killed so fast and out of nowhere that you go "WTF just happened".

Sales and Trading

1/3 RING OR BRACE = First digit means the FC on the item. Second means the FCR on the item. So that being said, this item would be 1 FC/3 FCR

Studded Sleeves 5, 12, 15, 9, 8 = When a post is made where 5 numbers are shown like above, it refers to the item's resists (in order). So it would be 5% physical, 12% fire, 15% cold, 9% poison and 8% energy.

Thanks for posting this, I will choose the best weapon for me.

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Posted: Wed Jan 05, 2011 1:10 am
by Anonymous
Red Squirrel wrote:I also have some future plans to look at how the google maps API works. now THAT would be awesome. Load up the shard in google earth. :D
Have you looked it up yet? This would be an awesome idea.

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Posted: Wed Jan 05, 2011 3:53 am
by onykage
newguy wrote:
Red Squirrel wrote:I also have some future plans to look at how the google maps API works. now THAT would be awesome. Load up the shard in google earth. :D
Have you looked it up yet? This would be an awesome idea.
i think it already exists =P its called UOAM. I posted an installer for it a while back.

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Posted: Wed Jan 05, 2011 4:32 am
by Anonymous
I was thinking of an live feed of everything on UO.

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