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Tailoring bod quests are all screwed up now . 1145 leather and u get 179 gold and a chumpy bod ???????? that sucks !!!!!! btw all quests want more resourses and give crap ya need to fix that unless you want the guys macroing to get the rare items because all the special resourses the avg players cant get here , trying to get special resourses 5 guys spent 2 hrs to get nothing we couldnt complete the objective hence no rare resorses something must be done or u will lose some of us if we cant find some way to get them , and also there are hackers here making items u just cant make you need to nip that in the bud asap because i know u know who is making these items so deal with that right away because us old guys that play here wont stand to see cheating like that delete these items or we will look to other servers and if we leave its 7 ppl and if several groups like that leave you and your original friends that started this server will be playing alone again dont get me wrong ya got a great thing started here but everything cant hinge on defeating the toughest creatures as it does here some ppl just cant defeat them and never will be able to so to be fair to crafters this should be adressed this latest update is a big disappointment to us on so many levels........

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tiquemen wrote:Tailoring bod quests are all screwed up now . 1145 leather and u get 179 gold and a chumpy bod ???????? that sucks !!!!!! btw all quests want more resourses and give crap ya need to fix that unless you want the guys macroing to get the rare items because all the special resourses the avg players cant get here , trying to get special resourses 5 guys spent 2 hrs to get nothing we couldnt complete the objective hence no rare resorses something must be done or u will lose some of us if we cant find some way to get them , and also there are hackers here making items u just cant make you need to nip that in the bud asap because i know u know who is making these items so deal with that right away because us old guys that play here wont stand to see cheating like that delete these items or we will look to other servers and if we leave its 7 ppl and if several groups like that leave you and your original friends that started this server will be playing alone again dont get me wrong ya got a great thing started here but everything cant hinge on defeating the toughest creatures as it does here some ppl just cant defeat them and never will be able to so to be fair to crafters this should be adressed this latest update is a big disappointment to us on so many levels........

This has to be the mother of all run-on sentences.

Also, who is this "hacker" you're referring to? If you're talking about brunus, we already dealt with said "hack" items. They've been deleted by squirrel personally. If there's anymore "hacked" items you suspect, let us know.

Also, red just fixed up the resource veins and bod rewards to eliminate some of the problems. In fact, he's resource gathering on the test centre right now to get statistics on the items. From the stats we've gathered already, it is an improvement of what it was before but there's still minor tweaks to be done.

Same goes for the bod system. It was recently redesigned so chances are it's not perfect.

That being said, please form complete sentences in the future so it's not as painful to try and read.

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I gotta say if thats an improvement i dont see it . I dont know what hes trying on test shard but as far as I am concerned gold is a chumpy reward , if ya make everything too hard to get good items there is no need to play here . Your Vet players here are the only ones getting high end resourses or beating the tough bosses we cant do it with 5 or 6 guys and we only get that many of our guildy's on every once in a while . So what you are telling me is the bod system is better now needing to give so much resourses and get sm amounts of gold for our trouble ??? And that we will never get any of the special items and resourses because we cant defeat the monsters? and if we go with vets they out loot ya all the time ?? nah that sounds unfair to me . I get the feeling the vets here are your real life friends and they get a leg up . If thats true now i see why there are so few ppl here . If it stays like this my friends and i will be moving on and from what my friends tell me they will as well.....so up to you guys (its 7 of us and guildmates that like to play with us) some of the changes are petty attempts to hold down the small guys

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Anyone else having to use tissues to clean up the blood from their eyes?

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d. wrote:Anyone else having to use tissues to clean up the blood from their eyes?

I'm using sandpaper to try and scrub that pidgin English from my beleaguered mind.

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The tailor quests may be the most variant of all of them. The reason behind this is there are only 3 different hide types, making it very hard to setup proper quests so that all rewards fall in the range. The way it works is when I setup a quest type it gets an intensity number. Normal hides is say 0. That means it gives you any reward within 0 and 5 out of 30ish rewards. The material amount increases the range. So 1200 may give 0-15. So the only way to offset this properly was to increase number of material.

It's all luck based though, you can technically get a barbed kit with like, spined leather, if the amount is high enough and it falls on right reward.

Also, with the added gold prizes, its now easier to make gold with a pure crafter. Before there was not really an easy way. The paltry amount you get by selling to npcs is not really worth. Some higher end prizes include 25k even.


Also if you noticed the newbie quests in haven, thats an indication we're trying to apeal more to new players.

also with 7 guys you should be able to do any boss. We were 3 and did Jourmongand which is the hardest peerless.

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Tiquemen, the fact is that some of us have been playing the server for a long time and have acquired a lot of rare items. Most of it is through hard work, but occasionally someone quits and gives their stuff away. Its tougher on the new people, but we were all new once.

As for the bod rewards, you probably got the turd reward. Red puts in shitty rewards on some of that stuff. Keep doing the bods. You will find better and faster ways to gather the resources. Or you can just gather a bunch of resources and do multiple quests right in a row. Leather is not that hard to gather. Archer + horselord + smuggler's beetle.

I am curious about the "hacked" items too. If you suspect someone of hacking, either out them to the rest of us or forever hold your peace. Writing that "someone" must be "hacking" is just pussyfooting around the issue. Its best to say who it is and what they did. You might learn that they are not hacking, just using an aspect of the game that you didn't know about. As for hacked items, you will probably find the same story. They are probably something you can create or find in game. There are some items out there that dropped a long time ago and cannot be crafted or looted(i.e. Blood bows, runic bows, and the stuff locked down on my luna house.) But that stuff is pretty much useless and there are far better items available now.

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Also some of this "hacked stuff" can be prepatch stuff that never got globally fixed. An example is the crimson cincture, originally there was a typo in the name then we ended up just using the cliloc for it instead but the old ones remained.

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As far as the hacker that has been answered as long as stuff was deleted but as for your responses u guys arent answering my concerns at all let me lay it out for ya's if the two of you guys think for one sec you have done alot of bod quests well think again thats all i do so it sucks shit now and thats that ya wrecked it as far as tailoring goes but the changes are stupid and doc as far as all your hard work like your the only one that works hard to get things and if ya all take a sec to read what i wrote . TO GET THE RARE RESOURSES YOU MUST KILL PEERLESS BOSSES!!!!!
WELL WE CANT DO IT SO IT MEANS NO RARE CRAFTING MATERIALS FOR US !!!!! Doctor Thunder please in the future dont talk to me as if you were a gm or my dad I dont want to flame ya but i will . All the ppl i spoke to yesterday are in the same boat cant get the spec crafting stuff or kill peerless as a collective 5 or 6 ppl , As I said previously those things are just for the elite ppl on this server (your real life friends ) but whatever ...... if you think your bod questing system is ok I cant see how tailoring bod quests are retarted now why give gold ? you got away from the osi bodding and ya did a good job cool stuff and all that ...but this last update made it suck for everyone i spoke to ....so there ya have it
I dont really see anything good in your last update . Wow ya get 1 more board lumberjacking . All the changes from last update totally sucked for us and we are looking for new server this morning and btw its up to 16 of us so if thats not a big deal to ya then its all good but with 20 ppl on at a time it might suck who knows . We came here because there was some cool stuff here , but these arent the only changes we didnt like too much concern for your elite i will say again

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tiquemen wrote:I gotta say if thats an improvement i dont see it . I dont know what hes trying on test shard but as far as I am concerned gold is a chumpy reward , if ya make everything too hard to get good items there is no need to play here . Your Vet players here are the only ones getting high end resourses or beating the tough bosses we cant do it with 5 or 6 guys and we only get that many of our guildy's on every once in a while . So what you are telling me is the bod system is better now needing to give so much resourses and get sm amounts of gold for our trouble ??? And that we will never get any of the special items and resourses because we cant defeat the monsters? and if we go with vets they out loot ya all the time ?? nah that sounds unfair to me . I get the feeling the vets here are your real life friends and they get a leg up . If thats true now i see why there are so few ppl here . If it stays like this my friends and i will be moving on and from what my friends tell me they will as well.....so up to you guys (its 7 of us and guildmates that like to play with us) some of the changes are petty attempts to hold down the small guys

As said earlier, the bod rewards system is still being modified so nothing is set in stone there. There's also the aspect of how easy it is to obtain a certain resource. Regular leather is stupidly easy to get, you just need to know where to look. Several tokuno monsters drop them in hordes. If you don't feel like killing, head to a tanner and buy them to save time. Of course, the 1145 leather is quite absurd for a 147 gold reward.

Also, nobody on the shard is our IRL friend (Cept for the admin but he doesn't count). We do know brunus as he was a guild member but we treat him no differently. Second we found he had "suspicious" items, we nuked them. No questions. In fact, I went through his houses on several occasions to delete items that were not appropriate. He was a seer back in the day when rules weren't as strict as they are now with staffing. He's no longer a staff member on aov.

Many bosses are not for the light hearted. If you don't have the experience or group power, then do not do the hard ones. For example, if you have 2 players, don't go do a Chief Paroxysmus with tamers. In fact, that's not even possible. Bosses do give you resources, but not all the resources will be required for recipes (Only the really high end recipes will see these resources). Most of the minor/medium recipes will require a few rare resources that can be gathered by mining or lumberjacking and stuff. Also, never underestimate the power of trade. In fact, there's a player run vendor in luna that sells peerless reagents. Camp those swoops for cash and buy the stock.

Personally, I'd say it's not the fact that you can't do the peerless that's the problem, it's the lack of minor recipes. The only recipes available thus far are the standard OSI ones which specifically require those resources. The minor ones (and some of the medium ones) don't require peerless bosses. I have no problem releasing some of those into the crafting system but the majority of them are reserved for quests.

If you're looking to do bosses, start with lady melisande or dreadhorn. For champs, do something like barracoon or rikktor. Start easy and don't simply rush into things. Bosses like shimmering effusion, chief paroxysmus are reserved with those who have enough experience and gear. If you take a look at dungeons, many of them have signs at the entrance with the difficulty. If a sign is missing or is missing a difficulty level (Not all signs are available) feel free to post it and we'll go put one.

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btw the haven quests are an insult unless you like 10 yrs old if you did that boss with 3 ppl I want to see the gear ya had on and thats what I mean you made it tough for your elite but impossible for the regular guy . Regular guy doesnt mean newb some of us have been here for a few months and thats why I said what I did not to insult ya but now after a few months here I see how the updates are done and quite frankly its left me wanting ya break the stuff that works and fix things that dont really need fixing anyway sorry about the bitch sessions we will check back with this server maybe bugs will be worked out by then

thanks

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tiquemen wrote:btw the haven quests are an insult unless you like 10 yrs old if you did that boss with 3 ppl I want to see the gear ya had on and thats what I mean you made it tough for your elite but impossible for the regular guy . Regular guy doesnt mean newb some of us have been here for a few months and thats why I said what I did not to insult ya but now after a few months here I see how the updates are done and quite frankly its left me wanting ya break the stuff that works and fix things that dont really need fixing anyway sorry about the bitch sessions we will check back with this server maybe bugs will be worked out by then

thanks

The haven quest is not for "you" per-say, it's for new players (Hence why it's incredibly easy). You might be more suited to the one in tokuno or the one by the orc caves in trammel. Red also forgot to mention that these quests are prototypes. This means that they're in testing phase so don't do these quests if you're expecting a massive reward (Although you do receive a reward for each objective of the quest. 1 quest also has a chance to give you a special item at the end but I'm not going to say which one!). Once the prototypes are completely tested and working, then the bulk of the quests will start surfacing with their designated prizes.

The boss we did was actually with 4 people and we died many many many times. It's the hardest boss so that's expected. Our gear is comprised of aoas/gaoas and greater treasures of tokuno (Greater treasures of tokuno being rather simple to get). None of the gear I hold is crafted with recipes from peerless bosses ironically. I have a few artifacts from doom as well (Helm of Insight), and I use a few pieces of crafted goods and looted earrings. If you think my char is UBER elite, I have 49 cold resist and corpse skin takes my fire down the about 42. I don't even have 120 weapon skill in swords or 120 bushido (But I do praise my 115 bushido, it's not much but it gets me from A to . I can show you my suit afterwards if you're interested.

I'm curious which boss you went to that you were having trouble with. Perhaps it isn't the amount of players you chose, but it's the classes you picked to fight the boss. For example, lady melisande is terror for melee chars. It took myself and red 1.3 hours to kill her because she kept slowing down our swing speed. However a group of 3 tamers took her down in about 20-30 minutes. Some bosses are easier for certain classes than others.

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get a gruop of a few necromages get them a 100 lrc suit sand go kill grizzle

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geezushhchrist wrote:get a gruop of a few necromages get them a 100 lrc suit sand go kill grizzle

Tamers/archers and melisande works well too. Just keep her busy with pets and fling arrows at her. She goes down easily (Not to mention her quest is the quickest to complete and can be done at your own pace because the kills are stored in the quest).

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As for the bod system, I need more info.

1: what skill did you try (assuming tailoring), how many quests did you run, what materials did it as for, and how much of that material?

In basic, this is how it works, lets say a prize list where the higher the number the better the prize:

0,2,3,4,5,6,7,8,9,10,11,12,13,14,15,16,17,18,19,20


Now lets say you get a leather quest for 500, leather is at the bottom, so it starts you off at 0, which is like max of 500gp. But the 500 will offset you at say, 5, 1000 would get you to 10. So now it randomizes a reward between 0 to 5 for 500 leather. (note that these numbers are just examples, theres actually like 30+ prizes and the ranges vary per craft type)

So with leather you wont get a good prize but still have chance to get something half decent. There's also a VERY small chance that the range is from 0 to the max, so you could actually get the best runic tool off a low end quest, but that chance is very slim.

Now lets say you get barbed leather which is the highest quest, that will bring you to about 15 on the prize scale. But say its only 100 barbed, so the range may only be 15-17, while 1000 would be 15-20, but just because its 1000 does not mean you'll for sure get the reward.


Remember in the old bod system how to get a half decent prize you needed to get a large bod? Now remember how you needed to get every single small bod to match EXACTLY the large one? The odds of that are retarded slim as there is over 100 thousand different bod combinations when you consider materials, item types, and amounts (some bods ask for 5, 10, 15, 20 etc) This is especially true with smith where there's more materials.

This bod system removes that, but adds a random factor to the prize instead.


But that said, it is not marked in stone and still needs further testing. I'll be testing it a lot myself to see if it needs more tweaking. But in general don't always expect the good stuff, its chance based.

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I'll have to take a look at the prizes you gave for leather red. I think they might be ultra shitty. I checked one of the leather prizes and the gold was low. If you do a 245 leather quest and get a gold prize of 145gp, it would have made more sense to not even do the quest LOL.

There's a difference between shitty and epic shitty. We'll take a look at the prize list on tc1 later today.

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Seer Death wrote:I'll have to take a look at the prizes you gave for leather red. I think they might be ultra shitty. I checked one of the leather prizes and the gold was low. If you do a 245 leather quest and get a gold prize of 145gp, it would have made more sense to not even do the quest LOL.

There's a difference between shitty and epic shitty. We'll take a look at the prize list on tc1 later today.

That's really the core issue here. The prize for a certain amount of work should at the very least be equal to the effort of the task, never less. Having to collect 500 barbed hides and getting 500 gold for it is a huge insult. It's like the guy is laughing in your face and telling you to get lost.

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dprantl wrote: That's really the core issue here. The prize for a certain amount of work should at the very least be equal to the effort of the task, never less. Having to collect 500 barbed hides and getting 500 gold for it is a huge insult. It's like the guy is laughing in your face and telling you to get lost.

Exactly. The prize that's being rewarded is not worth the work involved. The prize intensity is fine (As in leather being a lower end prize), but the prize being rewarded is crapola.

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I'm not one to complain, but I thought about it after the first few bods I did under the new system. However, it is still WAY better than the original bod system where you have to match small bods to large ones to get a reward. I think we got a little spoiled with the easy rewards.

BTW thanks for fixing the PoF thing. I have a ton of one use bottles.

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Kev6872 wrote:I'm not one to complain, but I thought about it after the first few bods I did under the new system. However, it is still WAY better than the original bod system where you have to match small bods to large ones to get a reward. I think we got a little spoiled with the easy rewards.

BTW thanks for fixing the PoF thing. I have a ton of one use bottles.

The problems players have pointed out are clearly valid and something's been going funky with the algorithm for it so we're going to be running bots on TC1 to check the prize bags and gain statistics on the items.

I'll be working with red on this one (It was only him coding it before as I was doing mobile changes involving aura). I'll be filtering through the list of prizes to make sure that they're not exceptionally stingy.

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wow, too little grammar in the complaints for me to even begin to care what he is crying about. D, pass those tissues, after 2 15 line run on sentences with no coherent thought my eyes are bleeding.

Step One: Learn to type in coherent sentences, and structure your thoughts.

Step Two: Use said knowledge to clearly and concisely arrange your complaints into well formed and gramatically feasible sentences. This will greatly enhance the reader of said complaints comprehension of the problem.

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I concur with Mr Plastic. If you threaten to leave the server, at least let red know what the problem is. Saying "this sucks, I am leaving" is not going to get you anywhere. You probably have some valid points, learn to express them better.

And as for me talking to you like I am a GM or your father, all I have to say is, "Sorry there little buddy, keep that chin up and your shoulders straight. Keep on truckin, boy. Its not if you win, its how you play the game."

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tiquemen wrote:btw the haven quests are an insult unless you like 10 yrs old if you did that boss with 3 ppl I want to see the gear ya had on and thats what I mean you made it tough for your elite but impossible for the regular guy . Regular guy doesnt mean newb some of us have been here for a few months and thats why I said what I did not to insult ya but now after a few months here I see how the updates are done and quite frankly its left me wanting ya break the stuff that works and fix things that dont really need fixing anyway sorry about the bitch sessions we will check back with this server maybe bugs will be worked out by then

thanks

First, please stop acting like that. Calling people "10 yr old" and stuff won't help, in fact, it might even worsen the situation.

We did Jormundgand with four people, Me, Red, Death and Nish. I and Red with tank setups, Bartok with his samurai setup and Nish with his ninja nox mage PvP character. He's not hard, he just hits like a truck. Now I'll ask you one question in return:

Are you saying Jormundgand is hard BEFORE or AFTER he enrages?

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Also stuff here is rather easy to get, so a normal char should at least have all 70's and some DCI/HCI or SDI and a few other mods which is really the main requirements to survive. Resists is like 70% of your survival right there. The rest is in your template and dependency equipment, and how good you are at using it. (so your healing timing, etc)

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Red Squirrel wrote:Also stuff here is rather easy to get, so a normal char should at least have all 70's and some DCI/HCI or SDI and a few other mods which is really the main requirements to survive. Resists is like 70% of your survival right there. The rest is in your template and dependency equipment, and how good you are at using it. (so your healing timing, etc)

Don't even need full 70's. I survive without out but it does hurt in some situations.

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