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BODing
Posted: Mon Dec 17, 2007 11:53 am
by theindigothief
How does it work? I just used up 260 bloodwood(took me hours to get) and ended up with a 20 charge oak runic. Frostwood runics give 10 charges . . . so is there a reason why the worst runic only has 20 charges? I thought they go down by 5 per each intensity . . . :/
Can we get a list of what BODs give what? RunUO had one and it helped very much so. Its just disheartening to see my 2-4 hours gone like that :/
Otherwise I feel that once again I will have to focus on PvM since crafting cannot compete on this shard.
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BODing
Posted: Mon Dec 17, 2007 11:56 am
by d.
any runics other than ice, hearttwood and bloodwood make absolute junk. I dont even bother with the new bod system. It looks awesome but the time it takes to get the rewards is crazy. I hardly pvm either, when I first started playing here the main thing that drew me in was the good loot, getting items with 4-5 mods at 80-100 intensity each. Now if you want that kind of loot, you have to kill crazy hard monsters, or wait for holiday events.
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BODing
Posted: Mon Dec 17, 2007 1:04 pm
by Death
Compared to the chances on the original bos system, this system is a lot better. There's more work involved but you do have a higher chance of getting something you can use. Also, this crafting system is still being improved. There's some areas which will be getting new rewards and more crafting systems are continuously being added (Tinkering was added in recently and cooking and fishing may soon follow suit).
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BODing
Posted: Mon Dec 17, 2007 1:06 pm
by Red Squirrel
Actually new bod system is easier. As player I got my first runic kit ever, I never had the time for the old bod system on any shard. You need a specific large bod out of thousand possibilities, then you need the small bods that go with that bod out of probably more like 100 thousand possibilities... its just insane.
At least this one you get a random reward based on level of wood, and theres only a limited amount of quest types so after a while you accumulate lot of wood from each type and end up not even having to do much for a quest.
but yeah its possible to get a lower level prize then the wood you turn in, the wood is simply a determination of your highest possible prize.
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BODing
Posted: Mon Dec 17, 2007 1:49 pm
by theindigothief
Okay, but you guys also have the resources spawning randomly. Plus, only 2-3 chops at a time. This means that realistically you need to find 10+ bloodwood trees. That might not sound difficult but that is still a lot of time spent looking for them. Since it is random it kinda ruins the use of the reapers axe.
If you wish not to change the system, then maybe make it so the resources spawn in the same spot and/or increase the yield. Any given Bloodwood tree gives about 20-30 bloodwood boards. I remember that elves do have a higher chance of pulling special resources on OSI a while ago. Not sure if that has changed.
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BODing
Posted: Mon Dec 17, 2007 2:21 pm
by Death
theindigothief wrote:Okay, but you guys also have the resources spawning randomly. Plus, only 2-3 chops at a time. This means that realistically you need to find 10+ bloodwood trees. That might not sound difficult but that is still a lot of time spent looking for them. Since it is random it kinda ruins the use of the reapers axe.
If you wish not to change the system, then maybe make it so the resources spawn in the same spot and/or increase the yield. Any given Bloodwood tree gives about 20-30 bloodwood boards. I remember that elves do have a higher chance of pulling special resources on OSI a while ago. Not sure if that has changed.
Felucca should give a higher yeald of wood. There is a human VS elf scenario where elves find more of that wood type but humans get more wood per chop but don't believe that's been coded in yet.
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BODing
Posted: Mon Dec 17, 2007 2:24 pm
by theindigothief
It hasn't been coding in yet. Also, the 20-30 boards is assuming you are gathering in the Fel faccet.
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BODing
Posted: Mon Dec 17, 2007 3:23 pm
by Red Squirrel
The elf stuff has been coded, when a new "vein" is uncovered by an elf it has more chance of it being colored wood.
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BODing
Posted: Mon Dec 17, 2007 3:26 pm
by theindigothief
Slightly increased chance of finding colored resources on a colored node: This will allow you to get 5-6 chops of colored wood from a tree instead of 3-4.
http://www.uostuff.com/index.php?title=Elves
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BODing
Posted: Mon Dec 17, 2007 6:19 pm
by Nexus Graveheart
I don't think the "slight increase" gives you more chops at the tree. It makes it so that you have a higher chance to get the special wood than normal logs during your 2-3 chops.
I use a human lumberjack and I chop in Fel. I've never had a problem getting bloodwood or heartwood, but then again I might just be lucky. And 2-3 chops seems like plenty in my opinion because in Fel you get 20 logs per succesful chop. So a haul of 60 boards per tree is nice, considering you can chop a bunch of trees in a relatively short amount of time.
But in regards to the original post about Bod rewards, I wouldn't know anything about that. I rarely do them. I just use my boards to make stuff.
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BODing
Posted: Mon Dec 17, 2007 7:40 pm
by theindigothief
For a Bod you need 200+ of the colored board. Plus, I don't really know what you are talking about when you say 60 boards. Just about every tree I have ran into has 50 max. Even with three chops one chop gives 10. I guess if you could nymphs you can get 25 vs just the 20.
And out of the 50 or so you only pull 50% as the colored boards.
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BODing
Posted: Mon Dec 17, 2007 9:41 pm
by Nexus Graveheart
I can relate with you on the bods...they can be tedious. But regarding the amount of logs you can haul per tree, I can dispute you on that.
In Fel, you get double resources, that's a given. So I get three chops per tree, I get 20 logs per chop. Yes, there are times that I only get 50, but typically, I get 60. And your chance at colored isn't always 50%. I've gotten all bloodwood from a tree before. So I think it's just the random number generator that is biting you in the ass right now.
I just hope it doesn't come and bite me soon.
I'm not trying to be a dick, I'm just saying that I've gotten results from lumberjacking that you think are impossible.
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BODing
Posted: Mon Dec 17, 2007 11:51 pm
by theindigothief
I am saying that I do think that you getting a full 60 from a tree is impossible. Can Death or Squirrel confirm this? It was my understanding(gathered from around 10-40 hours chopping) that if you do get that third chop it only nets you 10.
Plus, you have to factor in the trees where you got 0 bloodwood from them. Since you don't know if it was a bloodwood tree or not it skews your overall outcome. That is why you cannot factor the 100% trees in this discussion.
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BODing
Posted: Mon Dec 17, 2007 11:54 pm
by Red Squirrel
This is what is defined:
lumber.MinTotal = 40;
lumber.MaxTotal = 65;
So you can get up to 65 logs per tree.
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BODing
Posted: Mon Dec 17, 2007 11:59 pm
by theindigothief
Where do Nympths come into play here? Can you get 65 straight by chopping?
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BODing
Posted: Tue Dec 18, 2007 12:32 am
by Death
theindigothief wrote:Where do Nympths come into play here? Can you get 65 straight by chopping?
Nymphs are summoned by a reaper's axe which can be attained through bod rewards and can rarely be found on reaper corpses. Like ore elementals, there's a chance that one will pop out of the tree when you use one of these axes. They will attack you for damaging their homes. If you kill them, they drop a bunch of colored logs. There's also a very rare chance of getting a wood nymph to spawn through normal axes.
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BODing
Posted: Tue Dec 18, 2007 12:52 am
by theindigothief
Aye Death. I was refering to the 65 cap. Does that exclude the 25 attained via nympths?
Nice to know that reapers can spawn em. Thansk Death.
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BODing
Posted: Tue Dec 18, 2007 1:59 am
by Nexus Graveheart
Indigo, as far as I know, the Reaper's Axe doesn't take away from the tree cap. I've got one that I rarely use, but when I do use it, I can always head back to the same tree and get two more swipes at it.
So I guess it does take away one potential chop. But that is immaterial because you get 25 of the respective colored wood instead of the normal 20 (10 I guess if your in Tram), that you would get if you chopped it normally.
So what I'm thinking is that you have a chance at 65 logs. Say you're chopping a bloodwood tree. You hit the first chop and pull a bloodwood nymph. You kill it and get 25 bloodwood boards. You then run back to the tree and hack at it, getting two more chops, one of them being bloodwood, the other regular. So you end up with 45 bloodwood and 20 regular. Not a bad haul in my opinion.
Anyways Indigo, I'm glad your bringing up this, it gives us all a chance to actually think about chances for rarer resources when harvesting. Aside from all this, if you want my Reaper's Axe (I think it has about 450 uses on it, just let me know and I'll pass it on to you.) I'm much better at just mindlessly hacking away at trees than I am at fighting away angry tree-homeowners.
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BODing
Posted: Tue Dec 18, 2007 2:18 am
by theindigothief
I know, and I do pull 60 trees. Its funny because I just hack at a tree till I see what type it is and run off to the next one if its not what Im looking for.
Part of me wishes that the trees spawned the same. That would make finding a node more worthwhile and more rewarding. But then it might become too easy.
So you can pull just about any reward from a frostwood BOD?
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BODing
Posted: Tue Dec 18, 2007 2:19 am
by Death
Nexus Graveheart wrote:
I'm much better at just mindlessly hacking away at trees than I am at fighting away angry tree-homeowners.
They're just protecting their houses. Normally, they aren't aggressive but peaceful creatures. But if somebody hacked your door down you'd be a little angry too
.
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BODing
Posted: Tue Dec 18, 2007 8:13 am
by Red Squirrel
theindigothief wrote:I know, and I do pull 60 trees. Its funny because I just hack at a tree till I see what type it is and run off to the next one if its not what Im looking for.
Part of me wishes that the trees spawned the same. That would make finding a node more worthwhile and more rewarding. But then it might become too easy.
So you can pull just about any reward from a frostwood BOD?
Sort of, but up to a certain minimum, way it works is lets say the reward list is 10 items long, the top quest can get you anything from 5 to 10. The more resources you need to get, the better chance of getting a higher number of those.
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