Evasion timer

Red Squirrel · Post by **Red Squirrel** » Tue Dec 04, 2007 5:53 pm

Evasion has a 10 sec timer to prevent from being gimp and spamming it non stop, making it impossible to actually get hit. This is a big disadvantage mostly to mages.

Currently the 10 sec timer starts at the same time as evasion. So lets say you get an evade that lasts 7 seconds, there is 3 secs left to the timer. So really thats still too big of an advantage considering the mage will need to land a kill in 3 secs, if it fails, then have to wait another 7 secs to be able to try again.

So I'm proposing of starting the 10 sec timer once evasion expires. I want everyone's opinion on this. Please consider all the situations this could be bad, before voting.

This will benefit mages more then dexxers.

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sliptongue69 · Post by **sliptongue69** » Tue Dec 04, 2007 6:09 pm

I think it's fine as it is. If anything, make it so they can't cast another spell, as though they had a target cursor up or something.

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sliptongue69 · Post by **sliptongue69** » Tue Dec 04, 2007 10:40 pm

Actually, I whomp the shit out of Eby anytime he plays his bushido mage. Only player with bushido I've seen for a while worth fighting.

Why are you so negative towards me? What'd I do? Jealous cause I've been here for a while and put some time into collecting loads more than you could imagine?

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Red Squirrel · Post by **Red Squirrel** » Tue Dec 04, 2007 11:21 pm

mages would be the ones voting yes, not bushido users. I hope people understand the poll.

yes = make 10 sec timer start after evasion is done. (so its a 10 sec wait starting from the point evasion ends)
no = leave as is (10 sec wait starts when its casted)

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Nexus Graveheart · Post by **Nexus Graveheart** » Wed Dec 05, 2007 12:27 am

I voted yes, and I use bushido.

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dprantl · Post by **dprantl** » Wed Dec 05, 2007 1:52 am

To me it doesn't matter whether you're a mage or whatever, but if you keep it as it is, 3 seconds delay really is hardly a delay at all. So then what's the point of a delay? Basically means you can spam it almost continuously and evade all day long, and that IMO is no different from spamming MA or disarm or para, etc.

Oh, and since my mage already has 120 parry and high dex, all I have to do is cut some other stuff and get 120 bushido and be completely invincible in PvM. That's lame.

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Nexus Graveheart · Post by **Nexus Graveheart** » Wed Dec 05, 2007 2:37 am

dprantl wrote:Oh, and since my mage already has 120 parry and high dex, all I have to do is cut some other stuff and get 120 bushido and be completely invincible in PvM.

If I'm not mistaken (and I may be), bushido and parry are not meant to work together. For instance, if you use a shield, parry is what you need. On the other hand, if you use only 2-handed weapons, bushido is the way to go. I believe that if you have high bushido and parry, your defense chance is low. I could be wrong though, so please correct me if I am mistaken.

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sliptongue69 · Post by **sliptongue69** » Wed Dec 05, 2007 6:13 am

dprantl wrote:Oh, and since my mage already has 120 parry and high dex, all I have to do is cut some other stuff and get 120 bushido and be completely invincible in PvM. That's lame.

Fit it into your template, I bet I will still dominate you.

Parry does increase the Bushido block chance, still with just the weapon, not a shield.

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Red Squirrel · Post by **Red Squirrel** » Wed Dec 05, 2007 8:11 am

Yeah you need parry for bushido to fully work

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Dumples · Post by **Dumples** » Wed Dec 05, 2007 10:02 am

I voted no because I am mostly a PvMer. I don't use Bushido yet, but I might eventually. This is a defensive ability and not a damage modifier or anything to kill someone faster. I can see at least considering a modification for ways if isnta killing people in PvP. I don't think taking away a good defensive method away that might just prolong a fight is really worth the time. WIth the crazy hard bosses and stuff there are in the game, don't take the skills that work pretty good away and make it harder to play the non-pvp part of the game.

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Death · Post by **Death** » Wed Dec 05, 2007 11:04 am

neogeo11 wrote:Dumples pretty much expressed exactly what i was thinking, The bushido side of skills from SE are almost all for pvm. Ninjitsu is a pvp style.

Bushido skills are NOT all for pvm. Every single bushido spell can be used in pvp effectively if you know how:

Confidence: Secondary healing if you perform a defensive stance on your enemy (Keep your distance but don't run)

Evasion: Block spells and poisons to give you a few seconds to defend yourself

Lightning strike: Extra hit chance + nice critical hit bonus

Counter Attack: Easily the most effective pvp strike as it is not affected by distance (Archers) and can be linked with a special shot of your weapons for numerous possibilities (Long range bleed attack against archers). With the right weapon and spell combinations, you can kill somebody in 1 hit (I have done it before, in fact....I dueled another samurai and we did counter attack at the same time doing the same move and we both died. The corpses fell in the exact opposite direction, was gold).

Momentum strike: Not entirely used but good if there's a freaking mob that decides to attack you while you're meleeing some dude. Target the monster and then that energy gets transfered into the player for more damage.

Honorable execution: This is a GOLD MINE in field pvp. If you're low on health and your ssi is getting low, spot a rabbit, hind, bird, etc. Anything you can easily kill in 1 hit. Voila, you're back in the game with refreshed hits and swinging like a mad horse.

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Dumples · Post by **Dumples** » Wed Dec 05, 2007 4:12 pm

I am only talking about evasion and that it is a defensive stance. I wouldn't worry about adding additional delay to a defensive stance unless you are really seeing some kind of abuse from it.

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dprantl · Post by **dprantl** » Wed Dec 05, 2007 5:27 pm

sliptongue69 wrote:
dprantl wrote:Oh, and since my mage already has 120 parry and high dex, all I have to do is cut some other stuff and get 120 bushido and be completely invincible in PvM. That's lame.
Fit it into your template, I bet I will still dominate you.

Parry does increase the Bushido block chance, still with just the weapon, not a shield.

Don't be a fool, if I put even 5% of my time into PvP I would waste you. If you need proof of that look at what I can do in PvM. When you win in PvP you get... jack, so I'd rather go do a peerless that actually gives you something. Just not worth my time. I don't give a damn about bragging rights, that's for people with small ......

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sliptongue69 · Post by **sliptongue69** » Wed Dec 05, 2007 5:50 pm

Haha. Just because you can take on AI, does not mean you can compare to a real persons reaction.

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