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So, all things Western, be they religion, culture, whatever can be the legitimate target of biting ridicule, deserved or not, but when it's something about the religion of a bunch of psychotic, misogynist, medievalists, suddenly it's gone too far? Islam didn't spread north of Spain back in the day not because European civilization accomodated it, but because they violently resisted it. Islam is a cancer. Those who think it is moderate or "peaceful" have rationalized it to the extreme. Mohammad is regarded as the ideal of a man. A dark-age era warlord, guilty of murder and rape is regarded as the ideal of a man. A dark-age era warlord, guilty of murder and rape, who established a religion that is currently the bane of all things moderate, sensible, and diverse is regarded as the ideal of a man. Islam is peace by submission. Unfortunately, it is not submission in the sense of personal struggles for faith and belief in God, it is fundamentally submission to the established orthodoxy by the tip of a sword. Read the Koran. It's all there.

Edit: also read the Hadithe....


http://www.cnn.com/2008/WORLD/europe/03/23...n.ap/index.html

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Since I know scherzo won't be able to read it:

Dutch anti-Koran film's Web site shut down

* Story Highlights
* Web site promoting Dutch politician Geert Wilders' anti-Koran film is shut down
* Its U.S. hosting service investigating whether site violates its terms of service
* The 15-minute film, to be released March 31, claims Islam's holy book is "fascist"
* Dutch officials fear the movie could spark violent protests in Muslim countries

AMSTERDAM, Netherlands (AP) -- The Web site where Dutch lawmaker Geert Wilders was promoting his not-yet-released anti-Koran film has been suspended by its U.S. hosting service.

The site formerly showed the film's title, "Fitna" -- "Coming Soon" -- and an image of a gilded Koran. Now it shows a note that the company -- Network Solutions -- is investigating whether the site violates its terms of service.

"Network Solutions has received a number of complaints regarding this site that are under investigation," the note said.

While the exact contents of the 15-minute movie, due to be released by March 31, are unknown, Wilders has said it will underscore his view that Islam's holy book is "fascist."

Dutch officials fear the movie could spark violent protests in Muslim countries, similar to those two years ago after the publication of cartoons of the Prophet Muhammad in a Danish newspaper.

Wilders has said he will release his movie on the Internet after television stations refused to air it.

Wilders, who lives under police protection due to death threats, could not immediately be reached for comment Easter Sunday.

"How many ways are there left for me to be worked against?" he was quoted saying Saturday night by Dutch press agency ANP.

"If necessary, I'll go hand out DVDs personally on the Dam," he said, referring to Amsterdam's central square.

Thousands demonstrated on the Dam against Wilders' film Saturday in a protest intended to show that he does not represent the whole country.

Wilders heads a reactionary party with nine seats in the 150-member Dutch parliament, elected on an anti-immigration platform.

Network Solutions could not immediately be reached for comment. Its terms of service contains a sweeping prohibition against "objectionable material of any kind or nature."

A Dutch court will hear a complaint lodged by Muslim groups seeking to bar Wilders from releasing the film March 28, but there is no legal barrier preventing Wilders from releasing his film before then.

It was not clear whether YouTube or other video sharing sites would be willing to host the movie.

Last month, YouTube was inaccessible globally for several hours after the government of Pakistan blocked it, citing what it said were offensive clips in which Wilders made denigrating remarks about Islam.

Copyright 2008 The Associated Press.

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As per the actual article though, I think Wilders should've paid more attention to who he was signing up with. There are hosting companies out there that specialize in free speechcontroversial material.

Islam is kinda bad about that though. Yes, the video could be very offensive to some people. Yes, Wilders has a right to distribute it. And yes, Muslims have a right to protest it, but if those protests turn violent, they should be thrown in jail immediately.

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manadren wrote: Since I know scherzo won't be able to read it:

Thanks manadren

I have it sorted out, now. - What had happened is my 'add muncher' was being blocked by cnn, apparently they don't want to distribute news without adds

when I disable the add fiter ( it eliminates most/all advertisements on any site ) - cnn will load fine.

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manadren wrote: Islam is kinda bad about that though. Yes, the video could be very offensive to some people. Yes, Wilders has a right to distribute it. And yes, Muslims have a right to protest it, but if those protests turn violent, they should be thrown in jail immediately.

There are moderate, peace-loving Muslims, but the problem is that the more orthodox and extreme hold a disproportionately vocal efficacy on religious and social dialogue in societies/communities where Islam is the predominant faith. I don't think it's an accident, either.... when you read the Koran so much of it can be used to at least impose strict moral law and a very fundamentalist interpretation. That said, even the radicals are hard-pressed to find anything to justify mass murder of innocents, but they bend the definition of "innocent" to exclude anyone who in some way may present an obstacle to them achieving their ends. But then again, Mohammad was nothing special when it comes to what we might regard as a moral being.

In any case, when a religion must impose its dogma on others through law and other state powers, it begs the question, "why does God need a bunch of imperfect humans (who will inevitably abuse their powers) to further his will?" What an impotent, weak, shell of a God that must be should s/he actually exist.

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I never said there wasn't moderates, but they are drowned out by far louder voices, much like the Christians of our country. Though Islam does indeed have that militant aspect to it that Christianity doesn't speak outright. As you said before Islam is about submission to the will of God, it's just a short step to submission to the agents of god.

But in this aspect, Islam is kind of interesting when you think about it. It's kind of taking religion back to it's roots in a sense. Back to the days when early mysticism allowed human tribes to organize into larger groups with a defined structure, establishing the core concepts that make large societies possible, and of course, rallying under the banners of different gods during the struggle for dominance and survival.

It's just that while everyone else is continuing to move forward, and move beyond those days, much of the middle east is trying to step back into more familiar times.

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manadren wrote: I never said there wasn't moderates[...]

I never said you said there aren't moderates. I know, I wasn't very clear. I was trying to set up a point I'd mentioned in my initial post that I wanted to expand on - that Islam fundamentally lends itself to certain types of extremes, despite the existence of moderates. I've had about 6 hours of sleep since Saturday morning... the ol' mind is starting to melt.

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