Anything Forums

What are animal rights? What 'rights' should animals have? Is it morally wrong to eat meat?

Archived topic from Anythingforums, old topic ID:3131, old post ID:57748

Animals don't have rights. They deserve to be treated humanely.

Archived topic from Anythingforums, old topic ID:3131, old post ID:57848

Then wouldn't an animal have a 'right' to be treated humanely? And if so, to what extent do we treat animals humanely? By not farming and eating them? Disallowing any and all experimentation to be conducted on them?

Archived topic from Anythingforums, old topic ID:3131, old post ID:57887

Furthermore, if animals have a 'right to life', or if their lives are of similar value to human lives, to what extent should humans force carnivorous animals to go vegetarian, etc.?

Archived topic from Anythingforums, old topic ID:3131, old post ID:58004

i think its more like it's our responsibility to take care of the animals than its their "right" to be treated humanely

Archived topic from Anythingforums, old topic ID:3131, old post ID:58008

am i supposed to be following this??

Archived topic from Anythingforums, old topic ID:3131, old post ID:58182

What?

Archived topic from Anythingforums, old topic ID:3131, old post ID:58299

huh?

Archived topic from Anythingforums, old topic ID:3131, old post ID:58305

say WHAT?

Archived topic from Anythingforums, old topic ID:3131, old post ID:58698

This goes right along with the topic of this post....

Be advised, there is coarse language:

http://www.liveleak.com/view?i=d74_1175704224

Archived topic from Anythingforums, old topic ID:3131, old post ID:59025

Animal right aren't so much about animals as they are about humans. You don't punish a wolf because it kills a rabbit. But if a cat dies because the human who took it in didn't feed it, that's a different story.

Animal rights are concerned with how humans treat animals, in the sense of how we assign them rights. If a rabbit has an innate right to live, that right is assigned by the rabbit and really doesn't mean squat to us or the wolf trying to eat him.

The nature of life is that things die, it's just that as humans we have the ability to be cruel, to torture, and to kill without reason. Animal rights, in the sense humans observe them, is about curbing the ability of us to be cruel to other species. And in that sense it is a human morality that decides what is cruel and what is not. In my mind that means killing only when necessary and with purpose (like food or personal safety) while trying best to limit the pain of the animal. Cruelty and negligence serve no purpose.

Archived topic from Anythingforums, old topic ID:3131, old post ID:59048

Touche. The initial reason I started this thread was because of a brief discussion with an animal rights activist/supporter who at least sympathizes with the likes of ALF. But I think you stated one side of the issue very well (the side I agree with). I don't believe that there is anything meaningful way to applying human-style rights to animals, as they are lower on the food chain and may therefore have their lives ended prematurely for our consumption. Some groups are violently opposed to eating meat at all on the grounds that it is immoral to "exploit" animals for food, etc. I believe in treating animals humanely, but not in treating them as though they are on the same humanistic level as human beings.

Archived topic from Anythingforums, old topic ID:3131, old post ID:59057

Its nature to have people kill animals and eat them, animals in the wild dont kill thier victims slowly and painfully in humane ways as far as I know. They kill to eat not for fun. Humans are different, some kill for pleasure for whatever reason, they kill them in cheap ways, unhumane ways. There is a right and wrong way to raise livestock. The wrong way is keeping them chained down to keep them tender. It just sick, you dont like the way your meat it dont get it. As people get more "civilized", they get more uncivilized.

Archived topic from Anythingforums, old topic ID:3131, old post ID:59148

Humans kill animals for survival, other then giving them freedom, what possible rights can we give to animals?


Archived topic from Anythingforums, old topic ID:3131, old post ID:59193

A lot of that depends on how you define a "right".

Archived topic from Anythingforums, old topic ID:3131, old post ID:59216

GodIsYourself wrote: Its nature to have people kill animals and eat them, animals in the wild dont kill thier victims slowly and painfully in humane ways as far as I know. They kill to eat not for fun. Humans are different, some kill for pleasure for whatever reason, they kill them in cheap ways, unhumane ways. There is a right and wrong way to raise livestock. The wrong way is keeping them chained down to keep them tender. It just sick, you dont like the way your meat it dont get it. As people get more "civilized", they get more uncivilized.

True I've heard horrors about how some farms are setup. It's sickning. The slaughter process is not the most humane either. Chickens for example are boiled alive to remove the feathers, cows are often hung and skinned alive, etc. Killing for food is a natural process, but the way we do it is very unnatural. The only good part about this is we raise them for that purpose, so we're not screwing with the animals in nature. At least, this goes for most animals. Wales,fish, etc is a different story and we've already made lot of various animal species go instinct because of that. I think now the awareness is more there and mass hunts are more regulated, at least I hope, I could be wrong on this. I know Canada has that seal hunt which everyone in and out of Canada is against.

Archived topic from Anythingforums, old topic ID:3131, old post ID:59219