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I know I shouldn't concern myself in actually typing this, since it's somewhat personal/religious, but I feel like.. not directly talking to people about my problems. It makes me feel safer if you don't know me.


I get the feelings of being alone sometimes, after a few things happened in the past. Sometimes I used to feel like God had abandoned me in a place of perpetual darkness with no light at the end of the tunnel. Lots of attempted suicides in the past month, gone mentally insane for awhile. ..Then I started looking more to God, and I've been looking at the bright side to things. God would never abandon me, because even though I am just one person, I could be that one person to change the world for the better, y'know? Sometimes, life problems are better solved with the help of God. Even though He's invisible, or.. you can't feel him there, you can always know, that no matter where you go, He will always be walking beside you. And I believe, that through Him, I can do anything. He's stopped my thoughts of doing something.. dangerous, or brutal, or downright degrading to one's self-esteem, and to others. He's given me a more positive outlook towards life, and I've been making more friends ever since. I used to push people aside, judge them before knowing.. I just assumed they'd all be the same. But, now I see things in a different perspective.

I can do all things through Christ who strengthens me. Can you?

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Nice post. And true. Unfortunatly a bunch of people will soon be posting here begging to differ.

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Eh. Opinions are fun, because no matter what you do, an opinion is a fact to that person until proven wrong. But, I'm a very Christian person, so what I believe in is my solid rock. You can't break it, you can only cast it around. Just to let the other people take a look at it.

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I'm glad you found some sort of balance in your life and the fact that you turned to religion is good. Everyone in some way or another has turned to a God or Gods or something to that effect. However you look at it.

Whether your into religion or not i think everyone on this forum can say we are glad you found some peace and didn't do anything harmful to yourself or others.

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True, it's the same for me. no matter what kind of scientific stuff people say, I won't believe the big bang, because I KNOW god created the world. But the big bang issue is silly, since you just have to meantion that it ingores newton's laws, and most people either go around that fact, or don't know what to say.

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Yeah. The Big Bang is a silly idea. Although I do have an interesting theory, that mixes both scientific and religious things together.

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Yeah I have a theory too, but it's more of a "I doubt it but you never know" type theory. It's really wacked, but unlike the big bang, it makes sense.

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Heh. I'mma write my theory, so it'll take a bit.

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My theory is:


Scientists always say that the Earth's continents were always one, they fit together sccording to like.. the shapes and stuff. Well, if it was one giant land mass, I propose that the Garden of Eden was in the middle. Now, when Adam and Eve sinned and all the events started happening, like the Flood and so forth (Cause, if they were to go forth and populate, there had to be one single land mass?) Well, I think the Flood caused the land mass to move, and split apart. Now, if the Garden of Eden was in the middle, and you put all the continents back together.. the middle would be somewhere around Israel. Near Jerusalem.

I think this makes sense.. kinda makes you wonder, no?

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Hmm yeah does make sense, actually. I've always wondered about that myself, because they do seem to fit but based on the proposed timelines it does not fit in well, so it would of had to happen fast, and given the weight of all the water covering everything, it would speed up erosion like crazy.



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Yeah, true. You never know, though. It's always an endless mystery!

I don't think God wants us to know some things, cause if He did let us know, the world would be in even more chaos now, than it currently is.



As a quote from Futurama (can't believe I'm using this as a reference) If you do something right, people won't be sure you did anything at all.

I think we're not sposed to know some things, because then we wouldn't do anything for each other, or for ourselves.

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The trouble with the belief in God is that there is no proof, no empirical proof. Those who ask for proof are scorned. Ultimately, the belief in God exists and is maintained because an individual perceives events in their life as being punishment, reward, or simply a part of a greater plan God has. But this does nothing to validate Christian belief over Hindu, Islam, or primative, tribal paganism. Believers of all such systems feel a burning in their bosom over its truthfulness and have anecdotes illustrating their deity(s) effects in their lives.

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Nope. It sure doesn't.

Religion is a matter of choice, but I believe there really is a God, even without proof, I do my things in the way God would like them the best.

Of course, since I'm a sinner, I can't avoid sin completely, therefore, I will always sin. But, I can do my best to try and prevent myself from sinning. Christianity is a way for me to help other people see the things the way I do, through the help of God. I'm not going to force my religion down your throat, or anything. That's not very Christian, because no matter how hard you try, not everyone can be a Christian.

God to me is like my best friend, even though I can't see him.

See, we can't prove you exist cause we can't see you, but we know you're there. It's basically the same thing

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Well, just so you know where I'm coming from, I'm an ex-Mormon, now Agnostic. I hold no hostility towards the LDS faith, or really any other religion, for that matter, as long as its expression is positive.

Sooo, seeing as how you have a we'll tempered belief, I'm not interested in challenging it further. That isn't to say we won't have our disagreements, both theological and secular.

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No, no. You got it wrong, I'm not temperate towards my beliefs, I was just explaining it in a certain way. But, that way would be best, I'd rather not argue about anything. You have your beliefs, I have my own. I've explained mine, how about you explain yours?

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Joe wrote: Whether your into religion or not i think everyone on this forum can say we are glad you found some peace and didn't do anything harmful to yourself or others.

Yes.

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Thanks, Tak. I'm glad I didn't do anything to myself or others either.


The people here are nice, though. That's a change from other places I've been to.
Most people are mean, and hurtful in places I've been to. Mostly online games. Final Fantasy XI, StarCraft, Diablo. Most people I've met there I have called my friends, but they don't talk friendly towards me.

But, I think I can call all of you friends, even though I don't know y'all to an extent yet.

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Shinizo wrote: No, no. You got it wrong, I'm not temperate towards my beliefs, I was just explaining it in a certain way. But, that way would be best, I'd rather not argue about anything. You have your beliefs, I have my own. I've explained mine, how about you explain yours? 

I didn't say you were temperate towards your beliefs, I said your beliefs seem well tempered which means not extreme. Maybe I do have you wrong, nonetheless.

I think I summed up the nature of my Agnosticism. From personal experience and what I've seen, my observations have led me to believe there is either no god, or a god(s) who really aren't interested in having any impact in the world. And because no religious belief can be ultimately validated, I no longer see any reason to trouble myself with them. I'm not interested in believing something just because such a belief makes life more bearable. If there's no evidence, then how and why should I EVER believe it to be truth, especially considering that each religion, whether on an established, organized scale, or personal one fundamentally declares itself to be true above all others?

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Stasi wrote:

Shinizo wrote: No, no. You got it wrong, I'm not temperate towards my beliefs, I was just explaining it in a certain way. But, that way would be best, I'd rather not argue about anything. You have your beliefs, I have my own. I've explained mine, how about you explain yours? 

I didn't say you were temperate towards your beliefs, I said your beliefs seem well tempered which means not extreme. Maybe I do have you wrong, nonetheless.

I think I summed up the nature of my Agnosticism. From personal experience and what I've seen, my observations have led me to believe there is either no god, or a god(s) who really aren't interested in having any impact in the world. And because no religious belief can be ultimately validated, I no longer see any reason to trouble myself with them. I'm not interested in believing something just because such a belief makes life more bearable. If there's no evidence, then how and why should I EVER believe it to be truth, especially considering that each religion, whether on an established, organized scale, or personal one fundamentally declares itself to be true above all others?

Eh, sorry. I misunderstood.

And, for what you said, you have your rights to believe, or disbelieve what you want. I, as a person, have no right telling you what to do, what to believe in, or anything. But, I can voice my opinion, which may be a fact to me. I believe in God, and I'm going to stick with that no matter what anyone says. And I'll assume you'll stay the way you are, also. Beliefs or not. Correct?

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Shinizo wrote: Eh, sorry. I misunderstood.

And, for what you said, you have your rights to believe, or disbelieve what you want. I, as a person, have no right telling you what to do, what to believe in, or anything. But, I can voice my opinion, which may be a fact to me. I believe in God, and I'm going to stick with that no matter what anyone says. And I'll assume you'll stay the way you are, also. Beliefs or not. Correct?

Actually, I disagree with the sentiment you seem to be expressing that you have no right to tell me what to do, believe, or 'anything'. There are plenty of people who have utterly stupid beliefs, even harmful ones. Sitting on the fence, especially when it comes to religious belief does nothing to help anyone respect you. If you believe something, say it. Declare it. Be open to the reality that you're not always right and that sometimes people can make a good-sounding argument against something you believe that is ultimately a pile of BS. Just be prepared to back up what you say. However, I'm not advocating radicalism or militancy, in most cases. The very nature of radicalism leads a person away from a pragmatic interest in 'truth'.

As for sticking with a belief in God no matter what anyone else says, I used to say that too.

I think it's likely I'll maintain my non-faith, only because I've thought a lot about this sort of thing and keep arriving at the same conclusions. However, if you have some groundbreaking revelation to give me that may change it, feel free to express it, but I'll question it.

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Yes, I know. But, I don't see it as my right to change what you believe in, when I don't have all my facts straightened out yet But, when I do have them all out in a way that I can explain them clearly, I'll make sure and tell you. Regardless if you disagree or not.

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Shinizo wrote: Yes, I know. But, I don't see it as my right to change what you believe in, when I don't have all my facts straightened out yet But, when I do have them all out in a way that I can explain them clearly, I'll make sure and tell you. Regardless if you disagree or not.

Feel free.

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Thanks But, right now. We shall agree to disagree!

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Shinizo wrote: Thanks, Tak. I'm glad I didn't do anything to myself or others either.


The people here are nice, though. That's a change from other places I've been to.
Most people are mean, and hurtful in places I've been to. Mostly online games. Final Fantasy XI, StarCraft, Diablo. Most people I've met there I have called my friends, but they don't talk friendly towards me.

But, I think I can call all of you friends, even though I don't know y'all to an extent yet.

Oh man, gaming forums are probably the worse. I remember when I used to post on the Halo modding forums. Was not as bad as some others though, like counter strike for example.

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You're kind of getting off the subject, but, we've never really stayed on that either. But yeah, some people can be mean on forums, that's why I was always.. cautious of coming here. Known about this place for almost.. a year? maybe 2? Not sure. But, y'all seem nice. Maybe God led me to you when I was about to give up on friends

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