Mobile Phone Radiation Harms DNA, New Study Finds

sintekk · Post by **sintekk** » Tue Dec 21, 2004 12:30 pm

http://story.news.yahoo.com/news?tmpl=stor...phone_health_dc

The research project, which took four years and which was coordinated by the German research group Verum, studied the effect of radiation on human and animal cells in a laboratory.

After being exposed to electromagnetic fields that are typical for mobile phones, the cells showed a significant increase in single and double-strand DNA breaks. The damage could not always be repaired by the cell. DNA carries the genetic material of an organism and its different cells.

"There was remaining damage for future generation of cells," said project leader Franz Adlkofer.

This means the change had procreated. Mutated cells are seen as a possible cause of cancer.

First cell phones that blow up gas stations, now this?

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MrSelf · Post by **MrSelf** » Tue Dec 21, 2004 12:44 pm

Yeah, I was just reading this. It's interesting, and possibly very bad. I think it was red who once mentioned something about his dislike of wi-fi because of all the wireless pollution, air filled with excess radiowaves. Something very subtle like this, applied to 6 billion people over 50 years, could have a dramatic impact. I read earlier that cancer rates in people have gone up a lot in the last 50 years in both adults and children. What if it is all of these waveforms harming our genetric structure?

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Red Squirrel · Post by **Red Squirrel** » Tue Dec 21, 2004 12:46 pm

Interesting. I would not be suprised if this and other magnetic field devices are one of the causes of the increase in cancer. Today everyone wants to go wireless, wether it's phone, internet, TV etc... so we have all these waves going around and some are at pretty high frequency as well which are the most dangeraus.

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Red Squirrel · Post by **Red Squirrel** » Tue Dec 21, 2004 12:47 pm

Freaky we posted at the same time.

Actually I think it was Magic that had mentioned about wi-fi but I think at some point I did say I would not go with it unless I had to, because it's extra radio waves for nothing.

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sintekk · Post by **sintekk** » Tue Dec 21, 2004 12:49 pm

I still think the exploding cell phones (here) are more dangerous

Overall, it's a good thing I'm not using a cell phone

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MrSelf · Post by **MrSelf** » Tue Dec 21, 2004 12:53 pm

Red Squirrel wrote: ...but I think at some point I did say I would not go with it unless I had to, because it's extra radio waves for nothing.

Yeah, it was that, that I was thinking of.

I think we will soon be developing a way of channeling these waveforms a little better, rather than having them flood the airwaves.

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Red Squirrel · Post by **Red Squirrel** » Tue Dec 21, 2004 2:05 pm

"His 13-year-old son Michael stood stunned, his ears ringing, hand gushing blood and body covered in black ash"

Sounds like something you'd read in a war book.

Yeah I think the exploding ones are more dangeraus....

But think of how well it would work to fight terrorism! Mass produce them!!!

And hopefully a better way to channel the waves will come, though for cell phones, GPS and radios (and I probably missed a bunch.. oh and CB radios) it's kind of hard since all the devices that use them move. Things like RD6 radios (used in telecommunications to replace fiber transports) are already directional so it's not as much an issue, and if you stand in front of such a dish you vaporise reproductive cells, so it just comes to show what less powerful waves do, in longer time spans.

If a single frequency was used, but multiplexed into like 100000 chanels it would help probably, but quality would degrade allot. I think it's not 1 wave that does it, but many waves put together at different frequencies, since combined they can be super high frequency depending on the offset their in.

Now that I think of it, I think it's wave lenght that's more dangeraus. Microwaves are very small (I think it's actually in microns) while AM radio waves can be the size of a building (I think...) so the AM waves are probably 99.9% harmless while the microwaves are deadly, and some of these waves are in the middle.

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MrSelf · Post by **MrSelf** » Tue Dec 21, 2004 3:10 pm

I think you're thinking of illustrations of waves, the waves themselves are very short (length) and height determines amplitude, or volume or intensity. Am waves can travel much greater distances than FM radiowaves.

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Red Squirrel · Post by **Red Squirrel** » Tue Dec 21, 2004 4:23 pm

I thought it was the oposite. the smaller the wave the farther it can go? Since they can go through more stuff without disturbance, since they actually do have a physical size if they were visible.

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MrSelf · Post by **MrSelf** » Thu Dec 23, 2004 11:45 am

The longer the wave, the lower the frequency. (The longer it takes to complete one cycle of the waveform) 60Hz cycles 60 times per second, 300Hz 300 times a second, 1KHz at 1000 times per second. Low frequencies travel further distances without the degragation to the signal that high frequencies get.

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MrSelf · Post by **MrSelf** » Thu Dec 23, 2004 12:09 pm

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Electromagnetic_spectrum

Here is some interesting information, if you want to see how everything lines up in the big picture.

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Red Squirrel · Post by **Red Squirrel** » Thu Dec 23, 2004 12:54 pm

Oh I see I was sure lenght was seperate from frequency but it does make sense that they relate since a longer wave takes longer to complete.

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MrSelf · Post by **MrSelf** » Wed Dec 29, 2004 4:17 pm

Red Squirrel wrote: Oh I see I was sure lenght was seperate from frequency but it does make sense that they relate since a longer wave takes longer to complete.

On a side note, I learned all of this stuff in Precalculas, dealing with Trig. If you really want to understand the basic parts of a waveform, take some Trig, it really does help make sense of this process, even before I knew how it translated into reality.

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Red Squirrel · Post by **Red Squirrel** » Wed Dec 29, 2004 4:34 pm

Interesting, since I learned about waves before on my own, then learned trig at school and saw how some of the basic stuff can go with waves (sine, cos etc) but then it got out of hand and did not make sense anymore, and no longer had anything to do with waves.

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MrSelf · Post by **MrSelf** » Wed Dec 29, 2004 5:21 pm

Yeah, when you keep going in Trig, you learn why the waves are the way they are, the amplitude, frequency, a bunch of other technical term I can remember off the top of my head, etc. Of course when I was learning it I didn't immediate understand how it fit in with reality, but over time and effort you start to understand. I only mentioned it because you seem interested and capable in this area.

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Red Squirrel · Post by **Red Squirrel** » Wed Dec 29, 2004 5:59 pm

Yeah it's interesting how it relates. That's for sine waves though, there's also square waves, triangle waves, noise etc but I think those are not really used in air waves, I've only seen them in sound waves, as in when editing sound but I think the actual waves that go to the ear are strictly sine.

Electricity also works with sine waves where the amplitude is the voltage and the frequency is how often + and - switch. Most homes are 120V 60Hz so for a 60th of a second one pole is + the other is -. That said, it makes me laugh how allot of appliances are polorized, since it really does not matter what way you plug it in if it works independantly off that plug. Now if it would need 2 parallel circuits then they would have to be in phase etc.. so it would matter.

I can't remember exactly where I learned about radio waves though, I used to play allot with those but I think I only learned how they worked later on then after that I learned trig so my knowledge of waves helped allot.

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000 · Post by **000** » Wed Dec 29, 2004 7:21 pm

Red Squirrel wrote: That said, it makes me laugh how allot of appliances are polarized, since it really does not matter what way you plug it in if it works independently off that plug.

Actually allot of times it does make a difference. It will still work but it should be plugged in correctly. The outlets in your home home have a hot(+) a neutral(-) and a ground which is tied to earth ground. Back in your breaker box the neutral bar and grounding bar are tied together.
Example: a lamp: You want the the wire leading to the on/off switch going to the hot side of the outlet. Usually a switch in a lamp will only break one of the 2 wires. It should be the hot lead. Why? because when the lamp is switch off, the voltage(potential) will stop at the switch. Remove the bulb. Stick you finger in the light socket ........no shock.
Plug it in backwards. Now the potential will go through the light socket and to the switch and stop. Lamp is still off. That is if the switch is off. Remove the bulb. Stick your finger in the light socket.....zap!
Everything should be plugged in like should. That's why there's one fat prong and one skinny prong.
Now where there’s a DC Power supply involved, like a receiver, tape deck, cd player it's not as critical. The first thing that the AC voltage from your wall hits is a power supply. Transformers and such to change AC voltage to DC in most cases. The power supply will do what it needs to do to the AC and then pass it on to the electronic components....

I have no idea why I just wrote all of that ............I'm just bored..........

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Red Squirrel · Post by **Red Squirrel** » Wed Dec 29, 2004 8:32 pm

Makes sense, but the + and - changes 60 times per second. So either way you'll get a shock if you touch one of them, and are grounded. If you stand on a big piece of rubber chances are you won't get a shock but if you're on a damp cement floor you will (it will be small though, comared to if you touched both poles while it is on, or close the circuit in any way)

But I noticed that some plugs actually connect the ground to one of the live wires so touching the grounded one is probably safer then the non-grounded so I can see in that sense were polorized makes sense, since they could make it so the part that is easier to touch inside a socket is the part hooked up to the ground.

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MrSelf · Post by **MrSelf** » Wed Dec 29, 2004 11:09 pm

It's very important to me, that balance is what makes my music bearable, if the cycle is off, the phase problem creates noise.

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000 · Post by **000** » Wed Dec 29, 2004 11:19 pm

Red Squirrel wrote: Makes sense, but the + and - changes 60 times per second. So either way you'll get a shock if you touch one of them, and are grounded.

No. only if you touch the hot lead.

The hot lead cycles 60 times per second. Meaning swinging from +170v to -170v per second( peak to peak voltage.). It comes out to 120v RMS which is what is effective or measured. The neutral lead is tied to ground in your breaker box.
Go get youself a multimeter. Put the negative lead from the meter(black) in the ground of the wall outlet(round one). Now put the positive lead(red) of the meter in one of the two slots for your plug. Only one will read 120v AC to ground. In you're home wiring. Black wires are hot(120v AC). White wires are neutral. The bare or green wire is ground.

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000 · Post by **000** » Wed Dec 29, 2004 11:30 pm

But anyway.
I'm still on dial-up. I'm going broadband this spring/summer. My choices are. DSL($35/month), Wireless($40/month) or Cable($56/month).
They're all much much faster than dial-up. DSL is the slowest of the 3 and Cable is the fastest. So I've read.
What do you think?
What kind of connections do you all have? :sherlock:

I was kind of shying away from wireless because I'm not to sure I want to put a transmitter on my house. It's low powered. So are cell phones but you put those up to your head. This would be on top of the house. There is a difference.

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Red Squirrel · Post by **Red Squirrel** » Wed Dec 29, 2004 11:55 pm

0 wrote:
Red Squirrel wrote: Makes sense, but the + and - changes 60 times per second. So either way you'll get a shock if you touch one of them, and are grounded.
No. only if you touch the hot lead.

The hot lead cycles 60 times per second. Meaning swinging from +170v to -170v per second( peak to peak voltage.). It comes out to 120v RMS which is what is effective or measured. The neutral lead is tied to ground in your breaker box.
Go get youself a multimeter. Put the negative lead from the meter(black) in the ground of the wall outlet(round one). Now put the positive lead(red) of the meter in one of the two slots for your plug. Only one will read 120v AC to ground. In you're home wiring. Black wires are hot(120v AC). White wires are neutral. The bare or green wire is ground.

I'm going to try that. If I don't post back in 10 minutes it means I killed myself by accident. (now I know why they call it accidental death insurance, since if you're murdered, you're not covered LOL)

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Red Squirrel · Post by **Red Squirrel** » Thu Dec 30, 2004 12:00 am

Hey you're right, if I connected it from the ground to the big hole it only read at 1 volt if I connected it to the other hole it was 121. (the hydro company must of did something, since it used to read at 119 before). What's someone interesting is that if I only connect it in one hole it reads at around 0.5 volts (travels in the air to complete circuit though resistance is super high) but if I touch the other end it adds like .5 volts.

Learn something new every day I guess. So next time I build anything that requires 120volts I'll be sure to put the switch on the wire that goes to the smaller blade.

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000 · Post by **000** » Thu Dec 30, 2004 12:07 am

The .5v Is induced since it is AC.

I've had cases at work where there is an open neutral. The neutral not tied to ground because of a break in the line and there was 70v AC induced on a wire that was hooked up to nothing. Electro magnetic fields. Who would've thunk it. That's why neutrals and grounds are tied to earth ground.

Electricity is my life...................................

Dig it.

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000 · Post by **000** » Thu Dec 30, 2004 12:11 am

0 wrote: But anyway.
I'm still on dial-up. I'm going broadband this spring/summer. My choices are. DSL($35/month), Wireless($40/month) or Cable($56/month).
They're all much much faster than dial-up. DSL is the slowest of the 3 and Cable is the fastest. So I've read.
What do you think?
What kind of connections do you all have? :sherlock:

I was kind of shying away from wireless because I'm not to sure I want to put a transmitter on my house. It's low powered. So are cell phones but you put those up to your head. This would be on top of the house. There is a difference.

Anyone?

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