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Digital Scyther wrote: Fahrenheit 9/11 isn't necessarily a great film, and it's not particularly entertaining unless you're someone who wakes up early on Sunday to watch the political shows. It is a well done though somewhat pointed documentary, and Moore's ability to find and assemble vast amounts of data and information and spin them into his own personal one-man anti-Bush propaganda is impressive. Still, the movie doesn't leave you thinking that Bush is bad or evil, as the media might have you believe, but it does create a powerful message that WAR is bad and that maybe our beloved leader isn't exactly the best person to be deciding when and with whom we should be waging it. Whether or not you agree with Moore's opinion or his interpretation of the data isn't as important as the way it takes an intensive look at the state of our government. For that alone, it demands to be seen by every American.

MrSelf wrote: I tend to agree. I've though Moores films were never as "propagandic" as the media would have us believe, only if you mis-interpret the message. They do give some information that would otherwise have gone un-noticed.

MrSelf wrote: Then you might need to check your eyes, the information was interesting if nothing else. To see the difference in attitudes on guns and regulations, the information on Canada and its guns, different peoples opinions, lots more. It was interesting. Yes, Moore went too far sometimes, no, it isn't some movie with all new amazing information, yes, its obvious what his opinion is. But to claim all the information is horribly off and of no interest is false. I think you and others overestimate it's importance. It's much more social commentary than political.

MrSelf wrote: I found it very easy to discern Moore's ideology from the information; it did give me an insight to some areas, that when combined with other information I have, do make a difference. For example, his gun numbers.

The U.S. gun death number was enourmous!

Canada, on the other hand, has one of the lowest gun death rates in the world(his main compairison)

When you realize that America is like 50 mediums size coutries, it seems a bit more reasonable (divide number by 50)

However, even when divided by 50, the average is much higher than most countries. While his point may have been that the U.S. has way more gun-related deaths than most others, it's still obvious there is a problem of some sort, the current regulations are not working.

VictorEM83 wrote: Moore is a greenpeace tree hugging EU lover biotch. Our gun problem is simple we let dumb people with drug problems that cant contribute to anything but the crime rate live past the age of 21.

we give murders 5-7 years so they can do it again, look into the stats I bet  a least half the gun problem is repeat offenders, that get 5 to 7 years each time. the problem is to many people care about the human rights of criminals when you take someone elses live you should lose all your human rights and that includes your one to live or if there is doubt in the case to freedom.

VictorEM83 wrote: I dont care for micheal moore he morphs things into what he wants you to see the facts are far fetched like in bowling for columbine he is so far off base its not even funny. He rather have us like the EU rude, stuck up people who think they are above everyone to the point that they are to good to help.

and you know, i'm not so sure that i disagree with michael moore's conclusion, that the us has more gun-related deaths than any other country, per capita.

Digital Scyther wrote: I totally agree with that statement.

shenbaw wrote: Bowling for Columbine is the Moore movie about the gun problem. With so much talk about guns on this thread I just assumed everyone had seen it. Yes, in rural northern Michigan they were giving away a free shotgun or rifle, don't remember which, if you opened up a bank account. Wouldn't surprise me if that were done in some parts of northern Minnesota as well.    In those parts of the country the only logical use for a gun is hunting animals, so they really don't think twice about giving them to anyone.

Farenheit 9/11 is the newer Moore movie. You should really get out and see it if you get a chance. Like I said, I realize it's not a masterpiece, and that he has a tendancy to put his spin on everything he does, but it's good, that's all I'll say. 

Forbes reports that an early scene in "Bowling" in which Mr. Moore tries to demonstrate how easy it is to obtain guns in America was staged. He goes to a small bank in Traverse City, Mich., that offers various inducements to open an account and claims "I put $1,000 in a long-term account, they did the background check, and, within an hour, I walked out with my new Weatherby," a rifle.

But Jan Jacobson, the bank employee who worked with Mr. Moore on his account, says that only happened because Mr. Moore's film company had worked for a month to stage the scene. "What happened at the bank was a prearranged thing," she says. The gun was brought from a gun dealer in another city, where it would normally have to be picked up. "Typically, you're looking at a week to 10 days waiting period," she says. Ms. Jacobson feels used: "He just portrayed us as backward hicks."