Are mages underpowered?

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Nosferatu wrote:
Finlander wrote:
Nosferatu wrote:yeah i do pvp i recall fighting hector, hectors archer buddy, reco , and a mage/macer and killing all but hector multiple times on the field by myself than dieing once because u paraed me and it fizzled my gheal than the next shot killed me.

and the only reason u beat me hector is cuz as soon as i casted 1 combo spell u were about 2 screens gone. . . i dont disarm or use specs so i dont wanna hear that
Ohh at the time you were dueling garlic and died to like 20times and then started to bitch everyone off, killed brunus while he was afk with this admin char, then you started to attack everyone else, brunus [killed you, then you started to bitch even more about how youve played uo for 9years and blabla.

I also had skill loss, maybe thats why iam running cause i kept failing to cure? and hit. Anyways, that was many weeks ago/month? and as i said you dont pvp much, atleast not on valor.

And man, till that day i really thought youre ace, too bad you had to start bitch about everything.
yeah he was definatlly not afk and the thing was he was suppost to be uber with an sc 100% fireball wep to see if i could win spamming specs obviouslly i wouldnt win...

and i ran cuz it was 4v1 dumbass hah.
Man he had the 100% sc fireball fork cause it was one of them arties YOU designed and told squirrel to add them, and YOU were saying it isnt overpowered and you wanted to prove it.

You died, got pissed, bitched everyone off, and now youre turning it upside down.(you also blamed garlic for spamming spells, breaking some duel rules, told him he is noob cause he uses combos, told us that you have played uo for 9years and are better than any of us there, told me iam a noob, looted garlic's items, and thats only the things i can remembe)

And btw it wasnt 4vs1. Or are you one of those people who think the whole world is agaisnt them?

And reason i sid that you dont pvp here is becouse you dont, i have never seen you pvping here if that messed up test isnt counted.
Maybe iam wrong

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Red Squirrel wrote:Actually I like the idea of an artifact like that. +20 magery and +20 eval and +20 a random skill, so it could be a totally useless skill, or it could be a useful one. I'd make it a lesser AoA and spawn it with strictly those 3 skills, and 1/2.
If you made something like that, it would only be useful as a ring.

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Finlander wrote:
Nosferatu wrote:
Finlander wrote:
Ohh at the time you were dueling garlic and died to like 20times and then started to bitch everyone off, killed brunus while he was afk with this admin char, then you started to attack everyone else, brunus [killed you, then you started to bitch even more about how youve played uo for 9years and blabla.

I also had skill loss, maybe thats why iam running cause i kept failing to cure? and hit. Anyways, that was many weeks ago/month? and as i said you dont pvp much, atleast not on valor.

And man, till that day i really thought youre ace, too bad you had to start bitch about everything.
yeah he was definatlly not afk and the thing was he was suppost to be uber with an sc 100% fireball wep to see if i could win spamming specs obviouslly i wouldnt win...

and i ran cuz it was 4v1 dumbass hah.
Man he had the 100% sc fireball fork cause it was one of them arties YOU designed and told squirrel to add them, and YOU were saying it isnt overpowered and you wanted to prove it.

You died, got pissed, bitched everyone off, and now youre turning it upside down.(you also blamed garlic for spamming spells, breaking some duel rules, told him he is noob cause he uses combos, told us that you have played uo for 9years and are better than any of us there, told me iam a noob, looted garlic's items, and thats only the things i can remembe)

And btw it wasnt 4vs1. Or are you one of those people who think the whole world is agaisnt them?

And reason i sid that you dont pvp here is becouse you dont, i have never seen you pvping here if that messed up test isnt counted.
Maybe iam wrong
Yeah he kept spamming harm everytime he got near me at least 5x times.

In a duel obviouslly u dont spam duh... and i complained about combo because it was chain not combo... poison bleed, ma, fireball, ma , fireball, ma , fireball , ma , fireball, ma fireball, bleed, poison, harm, harm , harm, harm ,harm... =//

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[size=24pt]CHILL THE HELL OUT![/size]

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Gaiava Arkkaza wrote:[size=24pt]CHILL THE HELL OUT![/size]
That makes me laugh, because hell is hot.

This is para food.

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Depends, if Toronto Maple Leafs would win the stanly cup, hell would be pretty cold.

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I was dueling hector who uses void, and I have to say, its pretty much exactly the same as dryad. If anyone has fought adon on Demise, he can do the same, and thats demise, where dexxers stand no chance. Each hit does about 20-30 damage and hits about every second and never misses. (even though its supose to be 1.5 secs max... I'll have to look into that)

Chiv will also normally always beat necro and thats a fact. Chiv can't really get disturbed as much as necro can, and when you're getting hit once every second for 30ish damage you can't ss fast enough to heal.

So in terms of nerfing, it's not weapons that are the problem, void is not overpowered. Also, a mage can just use disarm, and a good mage should be sure to have that ability as part of the template since it's the key to beating dexxers. Disarm a dexxer and they're pretty much screwed.

Another thing is dexxers, with the right template/items can get rediculously high lmc, making special shots cost nearly nothing. now THAT can be a problem, which I might think of something to do about. I've thought of removing the weapon skill based lmc alltogether or just capping lmc more for dexxers. Mages are a different story they rely on mana so I would not affect them.

Thing is, everyone plays a mage, so its really hard to tell wether or not dexxers are overpowered. To me, if they were overpowred, everyone would be playing one.

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Red Squirrel wrote: Another thing is dexxers, with the right template/items can get rediculously high lmc, making special shots cost nearly nothing. now THAT can be a problem, which I might think of something to do about. I've thought of removing the weapon skill based lmc alltogether or just capping lmc more for dexxers. Mages are a different story they rely on mana so I would not affect them.
Okay but let me point out couple things:

1: the items to do that take lots of efford/luck/bussiness/time to get
2: Dexxers already have very limited amount points to put into int.
3: Its not like every dexxer will be able to do this
4: I know i said i can do it endlessly, but thats with mana leeching runic bow (45%) and as brunus said he removed those.
5: Theres hasnt been new whine posts.
6: I like making reasons.
7: Same as above.
8: The amount of mana them shots cost witouth lmc is pretty much like this when put into words: Insane.

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I've seen the same issue on demise though. It's rediculous. Its actually worse there since theres no special shot delay so one can spam AI non stop without ever running out of mana. Mages are capped at 40% lmc and the need mana for everything they do, so dexxers should have the same cap imo. Currently there is no cap. Getting the items required for this lmc is super hard mind you, but its still possible.

My specials have always costed 25-30 mana since I can normally fit hardly any lmc on my suit, and I've managed fine on demise or here - and use only SS to heal which costs mana too. Just have to time the specials well and know when is a good time to use them since you might only get to use 2 in a short amount of time. With 40% lmc cap specials should cost about 15 mana, but it should not go lower. I think now the skill based lmc stacks over the cap, thats probably the issue.

And I'm not trying to nerf your template specificly, just in general, as if more people managed this, it could get really ugly wether its archery or melee, or a tank mage, etc. I want to avoid the gimp special spam templates like AI spammers and such.

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ohh, i though the cap was same as with mages

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Not not sure if its a bug or it's supose to be that way, but either way eventually I'll fix it so its 40% lmc max either with items or skills. (I believe bushido and chiv give lmc as well)

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Red Squirrel wrote:Mages are capped at 40% lmc and the need mana for everything they do, so dexxers should have the same cap imo. Currently there is no cap.
OMFG there is no lmc cap for special shots??? You have to be kidding!

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Red Squirrel wrote:I'll fix it so its 40% lmc max with items
That sounds good, however if there are class bonuses those should be able to go over that, in my oppinion.

Afterall they are advantages of that class

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