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scherzo wrote:

Bookworm wrote:
There are many reasons for asking questions that have nothing to do with trying to exert authority over someone.

I still need to know why you think that asking a question would be the same as having authority to stop someone from procreating.

There maybe 'many' reasons, but do those reasons fall withing our discussion? I cannot know because you have failed to explain them

the reason asking a question would be the same as having the authority, is because you require an answer before judgment, when you have all the facts you already need

No, I don't have all the facts, or I wouldn't be asking the question. We were discussing a scenario in which someone does not have the economics to provide for a child. You said it was someone who wasn't at fault for not having the economics, but even if it wasn't their fault, they still did not have the economics. You then presented the situation in which that individual nears the end of her child-bearing years, and you asked "What then?" I thought that was an extremely vague question, but I tried to answer it by examining the person's previous decisions about child-bearing. Certainly those past decisions would provide some sort of basis for what happens in the future. Wouldn't that be true? I wasn't trying to exert some sort of authority by asking the question, and it wouldn't even be my role to make a judgment to them about the proper course of action. The decision would continue to be up to them, but it makes absolute sense to ask them what they have been doing up to that point, if, at that time, they are still completely unprepared for children. By answering the question, they might realize that they aren't so unprepared after all, or they might realize that continuing to be childless is the wisest course of action.

you believe that because you do not have a shotgun that you do not have authority, you believe that because you do not write the laws that you do not have authority, This is true in a Dictatorship, but the United States isn't a Dictatorship therefore the fact you have no shotgun or do not write the laws do not apply to your belief of authority and do not apply to the definition of authority in this discussion.

I suppose the best way to respond to this paragraqph is to ask you for your definition of authority. Do you really believe a shotgun gives someone authority? If a person came into my house with a shotgun, would they have the authority to take my belongings? No.
I had made the statement earlier that no one has the authority to stop someone from having children, and for some reason, you implied that my question was a grab at taking such authority for myself. I still don't understand how you could imply that.

You do have authority of your opinions, and if someone sought your council on this very issue, would you still demand an answer to your question, would it make a difference?

Now you are switching the concept of authority to something that has to do with my opinions. Not everyone who has an opinion is an authority on a subject, and I have never once in this discussion claimed that I was an authority on preparedness for child-raising. If someone sought my counsel on this issue, then I wouldn't have to do any demanding of answers. I would expect that they would be discussing the issue willingly.

would it matter if the person smoked crack all there days and wished to make a turn for the better? or would it matter that they were an immigrant? or they had a debilitating disease?

It's interesting to me that you have your crack smoker wishing to make a turn for the better. Why should it matter that the crack smoker wishes to make a turn for the better? I think it's because you really do realize that biology is not the only thing that matters in one's decision to have a child.
Lots of people are immigrants, so I'm not sure why that would be a concern. Unless, of course, they are an illegal immigrant and are trying to use the birth of a child as some sort of means to try staying in the country. That rarely works, however, so it is likely that they will get deported, and if they have to return to their home country in poverty, then that that is something they should definitely consider before they even have a child.
If the disease is truly debilitating, then that could very well be a factor in why someone decides not to have children.

None of these changes the fact that soon they will not be able to have a child.

So what? If they have legitimate reasons for not having a child, then you should not be forcing them to have one.

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