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Seer Death wrote:

DOCTOR THUNDER wrote:don't retire that lute, play that mother fucker. I am tired of hearing about it whenever someone has a legitimate complaint. I dare you to pull an Asayre and just start banning people because they say stuff you don't like. Lets see how long the shard lasts when you start pulling that shit. I dare you to play the ban lute/violin/guitar/kazoo... whatever you want to call it. Play it! Or forever be called a pussy and put the goddamn thing away.

Why would I ban a player for saying stuff contrary to my perspective? It's fine to have your own opinion just when you start turning it sour and constantly remind the devs about it by putting up little phrases of abuse to constantly poke the bear. Now then, I believe the original poster expected a sell thread and not a dispute so either let it go or this thread is going to get split into 2.

Every now and then, usually with the help of alcohol, a man truly believes he is the baddest mofo on the road. Last night was my night. I thought I was telling everyone where to go and how to get there, but after waking up I was kinda just being stupid.

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As much as it sucks to be in your situation plastic /w the oracle, I have to totally agree with staff on this one. They claimed it would "flood the economy", but there isn't really much of an economy on here. With this change and the future implementation of more gold sinks + other things though hopefully there will be a solid economy forming on here. It used too be way too easy to get everything by yourself, now it's getting to the point were it's a little harder to get everything, so you have to start relying on others. This creates greater supply/demand etc thus helping the trade market. It was a good move on staff's part, and you just got unlucky /w the timing plastic man, simple as that.

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Red Squirrel wrote:Resources would have no worth since they'd be so retardely easy to get in super large quantities.

All I have to say to that is 5,000,000 Gold is not quite the same thing as no value. In fact its a very similar price as to what you would pay on many other shards that have far more functional economys. So that argument is illogical.

And I was offered any other Leviathan AoA, none of which come near the value of what I traded for the oracle. So that point as well fails to impress me in any way.

d. wrote:As much as it sucks to be in your situation plastic /w the oracle, I have to totally agree with staff on this one. They claimed it would "flood the economy", but there isn't really much of an economy on here. With this change and the future implementation of more gold sinks + other things though hopefully there will be a solid economy forming on here. It used too be way too easy to get everything by yourself, now it's getting to the point were it's a little harder to get everything, so you have to start relying on others. This creates greater supply/demand etc thus helping the trade market. It was a good move on staff's part, and you just got unlucky /w the timing plastic man, simple as that.

As you said there is currently no economy here, but this change just encourages the stagnation of an already stagnant and overinflated economy. And what doesn't make sense in your other point is that the old submersia was creating a supply for a demand that was already out there. And it wasn't me getting unlucky on the timing, it was me creating an open public supply to potentiontal buyers that directly caused them to almost immediately panic and then jump on changing this.

I'm tired of stating logically reasoned arguments backed up by facts and being told I'm just whining. Truth is valor doesn't have the player base to support a reasource economy of any other kind than the OLD submersia system. Artificially creating an over inflated economy is what got this economy into this mess, forcing prices to remain at the over inflated rate isn't going to help solve any problems.

Creating a stable sustainable priceline on goods in a market where this is no current player powered side to the market would only stimulate the economy, and eventually help to rebalance the overall state of the economy. Eventually if the player base outgrows the need for a subsidised economy it could then be switched to a higher rate to encourage player run enterprises. It's along the lines of Govt. Subsidising, it stabalizes the economy.

Now, that really is the last time I will attempt to explain how your reaction to the creation of a reasource economy is flawed. I'm sick of logic being overcome by whatever. So I'm done arguing it, obviously you really don't actually read or think about what I say, I mean follow the logical progression and if you stumble on a point let me know I will explain it in more detail or different words. But unless its to answer a legitimate question, as I stated I'm done arguing my point. I mean I know real life studies on ecomic enviroments apparently don't matter in UO but at least I tried.

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And in a few days I will just repost a new thread to be the sell thread as this one has obviously morphed into somethign else. Will be less cluttered and easier that way.

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You say that your logic is being countered with people just saying "you are whining". This is not true, your logic is being counter with......ZOMG logic....

The old system was flawed and completely abusable, you wanted to make mad cash off people by selling bulk resources that took little work to get (don't tell me it's hard to get the gold on here for the resources, cuz we both know that's BS.) Also, you could easily do hundreds upon hundreds of runic quests with the resources. The new system makes much more sense, and provides more things such as boards.

YOU took a risk trading for the oracle when you knew yourself the old system was too good to be true. They changed it, and you threw a shit fit. Unfortunate timing for you, but staff needed to do it.

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Plastic Man wrote: And I was offered any other Leviathan AoA, none of which come near the value of what I traded for the oracle. So that point as well fails to impress me in any way.

I thought I was being rather generous considering that there are quite a few other new leviathan artifacts that can easily hold a coin to the oracle. Many people want that sash in fact.

Anyways, I'm willing to be flexible on this matter as I do understand how much you paid for the oracle so if you are still sore about the whole matter, feel free to pm me the estimated price you paid for the oracle and I will try to give a fair reimbursement estimate if you still choose to do so.

This thread will be closed if the original poster chooses to re-post a new selling thread as was originally intended.

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lol totally off topic but i got pwned in that undersea area

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I was just going to say that Plastic should be reimbursed somewhat close to what he paid for the oracle. It was a LOT. I mean a really LOT in valor economy. Thats why I am upset about it too, he paid a fortune for something that was instantly nerfed. Don't go playing your stupid violin for this, we have a legitimate point on this.

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He chose to trade all that for oracle... no one forced him to. Let the violins continue.

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why does it have to be violins why cant it be singing fat ladies

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Seer Death wrote:

Anyways, I'm willing to be flexible on this matter as I do understand how much you paid for the oracle so if you are still sore about the whole matter, feel free to pm me the estimated price you paid for the oracle and I will try to give a fair reimbursement estimate if you still choose to do so.

As the one who sold the oracle i fel bit bad about it and ive been thinking of asking if plastic wants to switch items... i guess iam not the best salesman.

Anyways this what you just said would in my oppinion be the most fairiest solution to everyone (not sure if plastic agrees tho)

And in my oppinion this is indeed something you should be flexible at cause oracle is one of those only items that only two people have used on this server, me and plastic... making it a pretty fucken rare item to start with.

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harlequin wrote:why does it have to be violins why cant it be singing fat ladies

Because bards in UO BETA could use violins, but not fat ladies.

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