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Don't listen to these two old farts.

Like Fresh Prince said, "Parent's just don't understand..."

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Bookworm wrote: I really must disagree with these suggestions of going behind the parent's backs. How is a parent supposed to trust the child if the child starts proving that he can't be trusted?

Like it or not kids will always have secrets from their parents, they will always sneak out when they're not supposed to. Just a part of life I suppose.

I guess with the trust thing, parents will have to trust their kids to look after themselves and not to get into too much trouble.

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Yeah and it really depends what it is. I mean if it's something bad like going and having sex, doing drungs, and that type of stuff then I more then disagree with doing it behind their back, but a simple video game, well that's a different issue and is 100 times less bad.

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Red Squirrel wrote: like going and having sex, doing drungs, and that type of stuff then I more then disagree with doing it behind their back

Would you agree with it if they told the parents ahead of time?

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That would defeat the purpose since the parants would say no (well any half decent parants lol) so doing it anyway would be doing it behind their backs... well I do see where you're getting it, since it would not be exactly behind their backs if they suspect it.

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0 wrote:

erolyn wrote:

0 wrote:
You from Indy by chance?

Yes, indeed. Near Indy, anyway.

Dig it! I went to college for a few years in central Indiana. Good times. Vincennes and Ball State.

I've got a couple friends who go to Ball State. Rock on.

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It's not like I'm going behind my parents' backs about huge important things...I'm a virign, I've never done any illegal substances, had sex, broken the law, or even been out past my curfew (well, I was once, but that wasn't my fault). I was raised well enough to know not to do dumb things that will get me hurt or in trouble. It's just stupid rules that I disagree with that I'll do behind their backs. Anyone who lives near Indy (0 can probably back me up here) knows that Broadripple is not a dangerous place to be if you're not stupid, but my mom still thinks I'm going to get raped if I go there. What's the harm in her not knowing if my friends and I run over to the Starbucks for half an hour?

I still think it's much better than making a big commotion about it. I'm learning to be independent, at the very least, aren't I?

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erolyn wrote:

0 wrote:

erolyn wrote:

Yes, indeed. Near Indy, anyway.

Dig it! I went to college for a few years in central Indiana. Good times. Vincennes and Ball State.

I've got a couple friends who go to Ball State. Rock on.

Ball State. Watermellon Bust. If they still do it..........when you're of age.... ...you should go. Good times.


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erolyn wrote: It's not like I'm going behind my parents' backs about huge important things...I'm a virign, I've never done any illegal substances, had sex, broken the law, or even been out past my curfew (well, I was once, but that wasn't my fault). I was raised well enough to know not to do dumb things that will get me hurt or in trouble. It's just stupid rules that I disagree with that I'll do behind their backs. Anyone who lives near Indy (0 can probably back me up here) knows that Broadripple is not a dangerous place to be if you're not stupid, but my mom still thinks I'm going to get raped if I go there. What's the harm in her not knowing if my friends and I run over to the Starbucks for half an hour?

I still think it's much better than making a big commotion about it. I'm learning to be independent, at the very least, aren't I?

No, it's not learning to be independent, it is rationalizing rebellion. Rebellion isn't just breaking rules regarding the big stuff. After all, even someone young can see the harm in the big stuff. It is obeying the little things that you may not understand that truly proves your character. And disobeying in regards to the little stuff is just as much rebellion as disobeying in regards to the big stuff.

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Rebellion is a good thing.

It's how this great country got to be here, after all. <3

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Bookworm wrote:

erolyn wrote: It's not like I'm going behind my parents' backs about huge important things...I'm a virign, I've never done any illegal substances, had sex, broken the law, or even been out past my curfew (well, I was once, but that wasn't my fault). I was raised well enough to know not to do dumb things that will get me hurt or in trouble. It's just stupid rules that I disagree with that I'll do behind their backs. Anyone who lives near Indy (0 can probably back me up here) knows that Broadripple is not a dangerous place to be if you're not stupid, but my mom still thinks I'm going to get raped if I go there. What's the harm in her not knowing if my friends and I run over to the Starbucks for half an hour?

I still think it's much better than making a big commotion about it. I'm learning to be independent, at the very least, aren't I?

No, it's not learning to be independent, it is rationalizing rebellion. Rebellion isn't just breaking rules regarding the big stuff. After all, even someone young can see the harm in the big stuff. It is obeying the little things that you may not understand that truly proves your character. And disobeying in regards to the little stuff is just as much rebellion as disobeying in regards to the big stuff.

A young person who obeys everything without question and without at least some rebellion grows up to be mindless. Some rules have to be broken for someone to learn why certain rules ought to be followed. Some people have to make bigger fools or suffer more than others in order to learn. Is it not better that someone learn 'why' certain rules should be followed than merely obey them with robotic mindlessness? And, actually, independence is all about questioning established rules and making your own decision as to whether you'll follow them or make your own.

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Just where did I say that the obedience had to be "without question?" Questions are a normal part of growing up. I did say that the young person may not always understand the answers to their questions. In that case, is the solution to break the rule so you can experience first-hand the reason for the rule? That solution seems to be the mindless thing to do. You are right that independence is about questioning established rules, but independence is not about deciding to break those rules simply because you don't like them or don't understand them. At least that's my opinion.

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Where did I say that independence is about breaking rules just because you don't like or understand them? Mindless rule-breaking doesn't exemplify independence of thought any more than getting a mohawk and coloring it blue.

The point I'm trying to make is that it's essential to think critically about things, including the rules a parent may set and then breaking it if deemed alright. If the consequences are undesirable then hopefully the person learned something. And no, I'm not thinking about someone's decision to go out and get drunk, high, have an orgy, etc. I'm referring to a person's decision, after consideration, to break one of the rules governing the 'little' things. While a decision to break a particular rule may indeed be a bad one, ultimately, it's what the individual learned from it and how they applied it to their life that will ultimately determine the net 'good' of the decision.

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Kids don't need to go to starbucks it's paying way too much for coffee which you can get free refills for $1 anywhere else.
I'm what you would call a video game addict, but i've found that if I'm buying another video game, i don't have enough to do. Why not use these mature problem solving skills for something else. I have found "for dummies" books, they're great, you can learn how to do anything with them. I rebuilt a piece of crap lawnmower so it purs like a kitten now, it's pretty cool.
I'm only a teenager myself right now but, if my kid used the argument "I want to test my mature problem solving mental capacity", i'd get him or her a text book or a jigsaw puzzle make them eat their words.

You're lucky you don't have parents who think like I do.

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Good point OLKMED. Instead of filling your Mature Puzzle Solving Quotia TM by killing virtual polygons, why not take the time to do something new? When I got bored one day, I picked up a copy of dreamweaver and coldfusion, and that eventually led to my internship

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