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Posted: Wed Dec 03, 2008 11:37 pm
by Bookworm
Chris Vogel wrote: Speaking of cars and the economy, the low gas prices are creeping me out. I feel like the world’s about to end or something.
We saw the price down to 1.59 a gallon here in Minnesota, but then it went back up a bit. I saw it today for 1.72 a gallon.

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Posted: Wed Dec 03, 2008 11:53 pm
by ycontrol
It's down pretty low here right now.

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Posted: Thu Dec 04, 2008 1:17 am
by Red Squirrel
I heard in some places in the states people have filled up their car for like $14. That's insane. I can MAYBE fill my lawnmower for that price, but not my car. :o Last time it did cost me around 50ish bucks to fill a 1/4 empty tank though. Great relief from 70ish.

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Posted: Thu Dec 04, 2008 12:14 pm
by Reaper
Bookworm wrote:
Chris Vogel wrote: Speaking of cars and the economy, the low gas prices are creeping me out. I feel like the world’s about to end or something.
We saw the price down to 1.59 a gallon here in Minnesota, but then it went back up a bit. I saw it today for 1.72 a gallon.
Ha, I've seen it at $1.47 in Missouri.

But honestly, I think it would be better in the long run if prices were higher. Like $4 or more.

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Posted: Thu Dec 04, 2008 5:40 pm
by ycontrol
Reaper wrote:
Bookworm wrote:
Chris Vogel wrote: Speaking of cars and the economy, the low gas prices are creeping me out. I feel like the world’s about to end or something.
We saw the price down to 1.59 a gallon here in Minnesota, but then it went back up a bit. I saw it today for 1.72 a gallon.
Ha, I've seen it at $1.47 in Missouri.

But honestly, I think it would be better in the long run if prices were higher. Like $4 or more.
Please explain.

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Posted: Thu Dec 04, 2008 5:50 pm
by Red Squirrel
ycontrol wrote:
Reaper wrote:
Bookworm wrote:
We saw the price down to 1.59 a gallon here in Minnesota, but then it went back up a bit. I saw it today for 1.72 a gallon.
Ha, I've seen it at $1.47 in Missouri.

But honestly, I think it would be better in the long run if prices were higher. Like $4 or more.
Please explain.
would maybe help force non pollution vehicles.

Issue is though, the government needs to put their foot down and stop supporting the oil industry so much. The oil industry is doing everything to stop alternatives such as patenting every possible technology out there that we could all be using by now.


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Posted: Thu Dec 04, 2008 5:51 pm
by Chris Vogel
ycontrol wrote: Please explain.
More exercise, less pollution, better public transportation, higher fuel efficiency, etc.

44¢ a liter.

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Posted: Thu Dec 04, 2008 6:04 pm
by ycontrol
Ah so your theories of higher gas prices are to force us into good things. I didn't know what you were getting at. Would it really work though? Extreme prices for cigarettes didn't stop people from paying to kill themselves...people smoke more than ever now.

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Posted: Thu Dec 04, 2008 6:11 pm
by Reaper
ycontrol wrote:
Reaper wrote:
Bookworm wrote:
We saw the price down to 1.59 a gallon here in Minnesota, but then it went back up a bit. I saw it today for 1.72 a gallon.
Ha, I've seen it at $1.47 in Missouri.

But honestly, I think it would be better in the long run if prices were higher. Like $4 or more.
Please explain.
Pretty much what Chris and Red said. If gas prices get higher and higher, people will stop buying huge SUV's that they don't need. This will force auto companies to make smaller more fuel efficient cars and help get the US off of oil. Less pollution would be a good result.
Cities would probably resort to increased public transportation, like Chris says. Thats not a bad thing at all.

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Posted: Thu Dec 04, 2008 6:13 pm
by Reaper
ycontrol wrote: Ah so your theories of higher gas prices are to force us into good things. I didn't know what you were getting at. Would it really work though? Extreme prices for cigarettes didn't stop people from paying to kill themselves...people smoke more than ever now.
Well, smokes don't cost a lot really. If they did go up by a lot, in the long run fewer people would start, because they don't want to pay for them (this requires that these people know they are addictive and will kill you). It seems like more of a generational thing than anything else.

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Posted: Thu Dec 04, 2008 6:33 pm
by manadren
Reaper wrote:
ycontrol wrote:
Reaper wrote:
Ha, I've seen it at $1.47 in Missouri.

But honestly, I think it would be better in the long run if prices were higher. Like $4 or more.
Please explain.
Pretty much what Chris and Red said. If gas prices get higher and higher, people will stop buying huge SUV's that they don't need. This will force auto companies to make smaller more fuel efficient cars and help get the US off of oil. Less pollution would be a good result.
Cities would probably resort to increased public transportation, like Chris says. Thats not a bad thing at all.
Beyond that, cleaner technologies and renewable feul sources just aren't cost effective if gas is cheap. The reason we are so tied to things like oil, coal, and natural gas is because they are so much cheaper than the alternatives. This is because we don't already have an infrastructure built for them (like we do for oil), we need more investment in R&D, and we need a mass market to drive the price down which isn't there because oil's cheaper.

So to make real advancements in clean technologies and renewable energy, we either need massive government interventionsocial change, or oil prices that are high enough to be comparable to the alternatives.

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Posted: Thu Dec 04, 2008 6:48 pm
by Chris Vogel
ycontrol wrote: Ah so your theories of higher gas prices are to force us into good things. I didn't know what you were getting at. Would it really work though? Extreme prices for cigarettes didn't stop people from paying to kill themselves...people smoke more than ever now.
Americans smoke less, and apparently Canadians do too, but I’m wary of comparing gas and cigarettes.
Reaper wrote: Well, smokes don't cost a lot really.
Customers often dump all their change on my conveyor belt at Walmart, hoping they have enough for the cheapest pack, and sometimes they don’t. This is a very poor town though.

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Posted: Thu Dec 04, 2008 9:40 pm
by Red Squirrel
Chris Vogel wrote:
ycontrol wrote: Please explain.
More exercise, less pollution, better public transportation, higher fuel efficiency, etc.

44¢ a liter.


Woah srly? I never seen it that low in my life time. That's insane. :o And I thought 89 cents was crazy cheap.

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Posted: Thu Dec 04, 2008 9:46 pm
by ycontrol
Hmm, not sure why I thought people smoked more now, sorry about that.

Smokes do seem to cost a lot. In comparison to what they used to be but I guess you can say that about everything. It seemed (here anyway) that they went from $5.00 to $10.00 a pack over night. I don't smoke but I just remember all the smokers I hung out with complaining about the price of cigarettes all of a sudden at one time. I think the cost must have made some leaps at that time.

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Posted: Thu Dec 04, 2008 10:28 pm
by Reaper
Chris Vogel wrote: 007-eng.php]Canadians do too[/url], but I’m wary of comparing gas and cigarettes.
Reaper wrote: Well, smokes don't cost a lot really.
Customers often dump all their change on my conveyor belt at Walmart, hoping they have enough for the cheapest pack, and sometimes they don’t. This is a very poor town though.
Yeah, location probably matters to some degree. They're pretty easy to buy in suburban St. Louis. I guess I'm just going by experience.

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Posted: Fri Dec 05, 2008 10:18 am
by Chyse
ycontrol wrote: Hmm, not sure why I thought people smoked more now, sorry about that.

Smokes do seem to cost a lot. In comparison to what they used to be but I guess you can say that about everything. It seemed (here anyway) that they went from $5.00 to $10.00 a pack over night. I don't smoke but I just remember all the smokers I hung out with complaining about the price of cigarettes all of a sudden at one time. I think the cost must have made some leaps at that time.
Where do they cost $10 a pack? It's like $3.25 for a pack of camel filters.


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Posted: Fri Dec 05, 2008 11:14 am
by ycontrol
Nova Scotia. Camels in Nova Scotia are probably closer to$20.00 a pack.

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Posted: Fri Dec 05, 2008 1:32 pm
by Chyse
WTF!? Why??? I could make a killing buying tobacco over here and selling it over there for $15 a pack...

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Posted: Fri Dec 05, 2008 2:06 pm
by Reaper
Chyse wrote: WTF!? Why??? I could make a killing buying tobacco over here and selling it over there for $15 a pack...
I'm pretty sure thats illegal.

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Posted: Fri Dec 05, 2008 5:47 pm
by manadren
Reaper wrote:
Chyse wrote: WTF!? Why??? I could make a killing buying tobacco over here and selling it over there for $15 a pack...
I'm pretty sure thats illegal.
Not necessarily illegal, but you wouldn't be making any money.

Taxes on tobacco vary greatly in different countries, even states, which is why there are so many cigarette outlets to go with the titty bars and fireworks stores just inside the South Carolina border.

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Posted: Fri Dec 05, 2008 8:07 pm
by Chyse
manadren wrote:
Reaper wrote:
Chyse wrote: WTF!? Why??? I could make a killing buying tobacco over here and selling it over there for $15 a pack...
I'm pretty sure thats illegal.
Not necessarily illegal, but you wouldn't be making any money.

Taxes on tobacco vary greatly in different countries, even states, which is why there are so many cigarette outlets to go with the titty bars and fireworks stores just inside the South Carolina border.
Why wouldn't I be making any money? I wouldn't have to worry about taxes cause it'd be all under the table!

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Posted: Fri Dec 05, 2008 9:16 pm
by manadren
Chyse wrote:
manadren wrote:
Reaper wrote:
I'm pretty sure thats illegal.
Not necessarily illegal, but you wouldn't be making any money.

Taxes on tobacco vary greatly in different countries, even states, which is why there are so many cigarette outlets to go with the titty bars and fireworks stores just inside the South Carolina border.
Why wouldn't I be making any money? I wouldn't have to worry about taxes cause it'd be all under the table!
Then it would be illegal. Mind you if you bought a few cartons and sold the packs to your friends across the border, no biggie. You make a nice little profit per pack, but no real surge in income, and it's not big enough for the police to worry about. But get much bigger and it's selling a controlled substance without a license (depending on the statecountry), and two different types of tax evasion (one of the tobacco, one for the income).

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Posted: Sun Dec 07, 2008 1:48 pm
by Reaper
It's Pearl Harbor day.

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Posted: Sun Dec 07, 2008 6:13 pm
by Chris Vogel
Perl makes my head hurt.

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Posted: Sun Dec 07, 2008 6:44 pm
by Red Squirrel
Try coding php and c++ at the same time. You end up with stuff like this:

Code: Select all

<?php
$array['stuff']=$_GET['stuff'];

cout<<$array['stuff']<<endl;

echo("Press any key to continue");
getch();



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