Self Esteem

Minnie · Post by **Minnie** » Sun Jun 27, 2004 10:30 pm

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fragged one · Post by **fragged one** » Sun Jun 27, 2004 10:31 pm

i am god!

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sweetness · Post by **sweetness** » Mon Jun 28, 2004 9:15 am

i have struggled with low self esteem all my life. I have a first class degree, i am in the middle of a masters degree working towards a phd and still i see myself as a worthless piece of s h i t.

life's a bummer -

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MrSelf · Post by **MrSelf** » Mon Jun 28, 2004 1:59 pm

This is a subject that interest me. I personally haven't had self esteem issues for many years, though there was a time I remember it being a problem. I find that I forget that everyone else doesn't have the same confidence in themselves that I do. I know what I can do and what I'll have problems with, and have no qualms with that. But I don't feel I have anything I need to prove to anyone, which seemed like what I felt like before.

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shenbaw · Post by **shenbaw** » Mon Jun 28, 2004 2:22 pm

Self esteem is over-rated.

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Red Squirrel · Post by **Red Squirrel** » Mon Jun 28, 2004 2:25 pm

I have a pretty high self asteem. Though at one point I thought I was good for nothing because that's what people told me... and now those people are druggies and I own a successfull business.

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shenbaw · Post by **shenbaw** » Mon Jun 28, 2004 2:30 pm

Red Squirrel wrote: I have a pretty high self asteem.

I often find too much of it is worse than none at all.

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Red Squirrel · Post by **Red Squirrel** » Mon Jun 28, 2004 2:38 pm

Depends as long as you don't cross the line and be conceited, which is bad. There was this girl in my class that always got 99% in every class and once she got 89% in math (everyone else failed that course with lower then 40% including me) and she was going crazy on how "bad" she did.

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shenbaw · Post by **shenbaw** » Mon Jun 28, 2004 2:50 pm

Depends as long as you don't cross the line and be conceited, which is bad. There was this girl in my class that always got 99% in every class and once she got 89% in math (everyone else failed that course with lower then 40% including me) and she was going crazy on how "bad" she did.

That's not so much a self-esteem issue, more just that she had become accustom to the fact that she has never got below a 95% or 99% in her case. Granted, if the rest of your class had gotten 89% in the class as well and she was still pissed, then it would be a negative effect of high self-esteem because she would be asserting her belief that she is better than everyone else. As is, she just sounded like she was disappointed in herself for not doing better because she felt she could have. I was more talking about the fact that high self-esteem often times causes people to be over-confident in their words and their own capabilities. Lots of people talk about lots of things like they know everything there is to know about them, when it's obvious that they don't. This in my opinion is often time caused by high (overly high) self-esteem. A little Socrates coming out I guess.

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MrSelf · Post by **MrSelf** » Mon Jun 28, 2004 3:06 pm

shenbaw wrote: I was more talking about the fact that high self-esteem often times causes people to be over-confident in their words and their own capabilities. Lots of people talk about lots of things like they know everything there is to know about them, when it's obvious that they don't. This in my opinion is often time caused by high (overly high) self-esteem. A little Socrates coming out I guess.

I def. agree. Over-confidence tends to be very bad, sometimes deadly. It seems that the general population, at least in America, has become far too confident, overly confident. The ablity to know what you don't know is very important. As a teacher of mine once said: "The more you know, the more you realize that you have so much more to learn."

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fragged one · Post by **fragged one** » Mon Jun 28, 2004 3:08 pm

too confident? nah...i'm just god.

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shenbaw · Post by **shenbaw** » Mon Jun 28, 2004 3:09 pm

I think Canada could use a teacher like that.

(Sorry, nothing against Canada, just givin' Red a hard time)

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Red Squirrel · Post by **Red Squirrel** » Mon Jun 28, 2004 3:11 pm

like what my math teacher? He thinks we're all geniouses or something. Had to take calculous over video conference and it was easier (still hard, but easier) then taking it in his class. I only had to take it once to pass.

That's the only course that I never had confidence in passing. I got my results from grade 12 and got a 61 so I'm very happy with that.

It's certainly not material I'll use in my life anyway. The most complicated math thing will probably be subnetting.

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shenbaw · Post by **shenbaw** » Mon Jun 28, 2004 3:15 pm

like what my math teacher?

No Red. A teacher who understands that

"The more you know, the more you realize that you have so much more to learn."

Read it again... Let it sink in... It takes awhile.

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Red Squirrel · Post by **Red Squirrel** » Mon Jun 28, 2004 3:18 pm

Makes sense, just not sure were you're going with it.

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shenbaw · Post by **shenbaw** » Mon Jun 28, 2004 3:27 pm

Everyone is so quick to say "I have very high self-esteem," with a big smile like they are sure they've got the right answer to this little pop-quiz, but I'm saying some of the neatest, most genuine, down to earth people I've ever met and love to be around would never dream of answering the question that way. Not because their depressed or because they dislike themselves, but because they realize the danger of "high self-esteem," and they are less confident in their knowledge of things in general, not because they know less than you or I, but because they realize how much they have yet to learn. Consequently, they are much more willing to hear and listen to new ideas and give them a chance to make sense in their world, because it's not "set in stone." (pun intended)

Self-esteem is over-rated.

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Red Squirrel · Post by **Red Squirrel** » Mon Jun 28, 2004 3:31 pm

That's sort of how I am, I have high self asteem, but realize I don't know everything and that there's lots to learn. But I don't have low either since if someone tells me I can't do something, I'll at least try and perhaps do it. That can be dangeraus though, if I consider all those crazy experiments I did when I was a kid.

Or even chemistry class... putting my hand in sulfuric acid.

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shenbaw · Post by **shenbaw** » Mon Jun 28, 2004 3:34 pm

That's sort of how I am, I have high self asteem, but realize I don't know everything and that there's lots to learn.

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Anonymous · Post by **Anonymous** » Mon Jun 28, 2004 3:37 pm

Red Squirrel wrote: That's sort of how I am, I have high self asteem, but realize I don't know everything and that there's lots to learn.

I spit my tea all over my monitor laughing!

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Red Squirrel · Post by **Red Squirrel** » Mon Jun 28, 2004 3:41 pm

What's so funny?

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fragged one · Post by **fragged one** » Mon Jun 28, 2004 3:43 pm

Red Squirrel wrote: What's so funny?

well, you see they...you...nevermind.

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shenbaw · Post by **shenbaw** » Mon Jun 28, 2004 3:47 pm

Your world is "set in stone."

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MrSelf · Post by **MrSelf** » Mon Jun 28, 2004 3:49 pm

Irony.

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shenbaw · Post by **shenbaw** » Mon Jun 28, 2004 3:50 pm

Just a bit.

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Red Squirrel · Post by **Red Squirrel** » Mon Jun 28, 2004 4:02 pm

Irony is cool, anyone ever read Othello?

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