Time travel?

Magic · Post by **Magic** » Tue Jun 29, 2004 5:17 pm

Yes, now, back to the thread's original topic....

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Red Squirrel · Post by **Red Squirrel** » Tue Jun 29, 2004 5:27 pm

Some interesting time travel links.

http://www.friesian.com/paradox.htm
http://plato.stanford.edu/entries/time-travel-phys/
http://science.howstuffworks.com/time-travel.htm

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wldkos · Post by **wldkos** » Wed Jun 30, 2004 1:52 am

Leave time travel alone. It's too complex for our minds to understand could definately

some

up.

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Red Squirrel · Post by **Red Squirrel** » Wed Jun 30, 2004 11:45 am

I find it's interesting, because of it's complexity.

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Anonymous · Post by **Anonymous** » Wed Jun 30, 2004 3:46 pm

wlk DOS 4.5 wrote: Leave time travel alone. It's too complex for our minds to understand could definately some up.

Ahahahaha!

me, WLK, you got a

potty mouth on your

shitty

!

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shenbaw · Post by **shenbaw** » Wed Jun 30, 2004 5:00 pm

Kant and Leibniz have some interesting takes on this topic.

http://www.utm.edu/research/iep/t/time.htm#TIME-TRAVEL

That link doesn't deal specifically with these two, I know. I was just looking for a refresher on their concepts of space/time and came across that and thought it put the time travel thing into pretty easily understandable philosophical terms.

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Dumb Genius · Post by **Dumb Genius** » Wed Jun 30, 2004 10:38 pm

MrSelf wrote: Yeah, just because we don't know exactly what happened at the very beginning doesn't mean all of the evidence is false. We have what we know (expanding universe), what we don't know(how the expansions started, how and where it came from), and what we theorize (other factors influencing, time ripples, other dimentions, etc...)

how can we know that the universe exapnds if we dont knwo how it started.

it all belongs to the big bang theorie. if you believe in one you believe in the two, you cant just pick one.

and in red's animation it sys that at the beginning there was nothing FALSE there was everything. energy and matter cant be created. it can only be "re-used". we are actually made of star dust

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Red Squirrel · Post by **Red Squirrel** » Wed Jun 30, 2004 11:20 pm

Actually, the creation of the universe also involves the creation of time, as it is a dimension, and all dimensions had to be made. So before the universe, there was no time, no nothing. A concept very hard to imagine and grasp, but that's how it was. So only a super natural force was able to actually trigger it all to happen. Everyone has their own opinion on what that super natural force actually was, but in my case I believe it was God.

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shenbaw · Post by **shenbaw** » Thu Jul 01, 2004 10:07 am

Dumb Genius wrote: how can we know that the universe exapnds if we dont knwo how it started.
it all belongs to the big bang theorie. if you believe in one you believe in the two, you cant just pick one.

Actually we can and do know the universe is exanding, if I knew how to access the archived forums I'd provide you with a link. And you're right, that does "belong to" or tie into the big bang theory, but what we don't know and what we can only theorize about is what initially triggered the beginning of the big bang itself. That, even scientists are at a loss to explain.

Red Squirrel wrote: So only a super natural force was able to actually trigger it all to happen.

Only a super natural force was able to actually trigger what all to happen Red?

Oh, you meant only a super natural force was able to trigger the creation of the heavens and the earth and everything that we know today in six days. Sorry, for a second there I thought you were talking about the "Big Bang."

Everyone has their own opinion on what that super natural force (trigger) actually was, but in my case I believe it was God.

Are you sure that's what you really wanted to say?

Didn't think so.

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Red Squirrel · Post by **Red Squirrel** » Thu Jul 01, 2004 5:04 pm

hahaha speaking of time travel, I got this weird linux error that a configuration change occured in the future so I could not do a "make" on something. I had to wait till we reach that period of time so that it lets me.

Funny stuff. Have no clue how it happened though....

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shenbaw · Post by **shenbaw** » Fri Jul 02, 2004 10:59 am

Theoretically, time travel might be a possibility, but I think the only version that we will ever realize is the "quick freeze" form of time travel. (ceasing the body to live for a period of time and then bringing it back to life at a later point) Honestly, having the capability to make someone travel the speed of light is simply unrealistic. Even causing some type of a projectile to travel the speed of light will not be untill well after our lifetime.

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Red Squirrel · Post by **Red Squirrel** » Fri Jul 02, 2004 11:47 am

Eventually sending something at speed of light may be made possible, the fastest way to do so would be with a rail gun, and even that, I think they are only at mach 7 now with that technology (7 times the speed of sound). And even if it becomes possible I doubt a human body would be able to take it. The G force would be extreme and hitting any non-vacuum matter such as gases that are sometimes in space would cause the whole space craft to explode from the friction. But, you never know, by 2101 they may figure it out.

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shenbaw · Post by **shenbaw** » Fri Jul 02, 2004 12:06 pm

Red Squirrel wrote: But, you never know, by 2101 they may figure it out.

Sweet, I'll only be 121 years old.

How about this quick freeze notion? The idea is that one would have to kept at basically absolute zero correct? Just the idea of actually freezing life iteself is kind of crazy to me. I understand that absolute zero theoretically stops the motion of all cells, atoms, etc. and that's why it is believed to preserve life, but is it essentially freezing consciousness? Wouldn't we have to enter some point other than absolute zero in the process of being frozen or thawed, consequently, killing the subject?

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Red Squirrel · Post by **Red Squirrel** » Fri Jul 02, 2004 12:19 pm

Yeah I'm not sure if freezing actually works, since being put to absolute zero would kill you from the cold before you reach the state of having no cells moving, mostlikely anyway. It's like when people get stranded on cold mountains, they don't die of thirst or hunger, but they die of cold before then. And that's only like -50 or -60 we're talking about, so by the time you'd reach say, -200 veins would pop etc... the body just can't take it.

We were making ice cream with liquid N2 (-200 degrees, about 73Kelvin) and were told if it touches any part of our body, it's gone. So you don't go dipping your finger in there.

That stuff is cool though... It would be cool to start an ice cream stand just so I can get to use it.

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shenbaw · Post by **shenbaw** » Fri Jul 02, 2004 2:44 pm

So are you telling me that Encino Man was a fake?

I guess more what I was getting at was the concept of freezing life itself. In all other circumstances, you stop a beating heart or a thinking mind, for all practical purposes, you can't recreate life or re-install life into an organ or a body. Yet absolute zero is supposed to preserve that very thing.

Why can we freeze sperm cells and once their thawed, come back to life? In that way I guess time travel is already possible, only it's not you (the person) that is travelling through time, but you (your genes) travelling through time.

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Red Squirrel · Post by **Red Squirrel** » Fri Jul 02, 2004 3:03 pm

hmm yeah maybe it would be possible. But I think the only way would be if you can instantly freeze it to absolute zero, so it would not go to the stage where it is still alive and die from cold, just from room temp to 0k in an instant, or at least fast enough before the cold affects the object. I need to try that next january...

Our weather feels like 0k sometimes... but yet it's only -50C lol.

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Dumb Genius · Post by **Dumb Genius** » Sun Jul 04, 2004 6:35 pm

shenbaw wrote: ...but what we don't know and what we can only theorize about is what initially triggered the beginning of the big bang itself. That, even scientists are at a loss to explain.

i can explain!

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Red Squirrel · Post by **Red Squirrel** » Sun Jul 04, 2004 6:40 pm

Same here, just... no one wants to hear it.

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Stasi · Post by **Stasi** » Mon Jul 05, 2004 9:32 am

Red Squirrel wrote: Same here, just... no one wants to hear it.

No one wants to hear it because your arguments are based on poor logic and Creationism, which as far as an explanation to the creation of the world has less basis in reality than the Big Bang Theory. I guess a lot of people aren't interested in a mythological creation story when there's no reason to accept it unless they think everything in the Bible is to be taken as literal fact.

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Red Squirrel · Post by **Red Squirrel** » Mon Jul 05, 2004 1:22 pm

It's not that it's not logical, it's that people refuse to see the logic.

Now back to time travel.

I keep getting this really weird dream, well the dream itself is usually different but in it I always see this weird comercial. I always wakup before it's finished, but it's a comercial about September 11th and how a woman with kids handed it or something along those lines, and it shows the plane, then it shows the pilot being killed and the hijackers taking over then it shows the mom with her kids, putting them to sleep (like on Titanic) then I wake up. I've had this dream several times, at least I think. I'm thinking it may actually be that my brain makes me think I already got the dream and in the dream I remember the comercial, and I know what will happen after... but yet it may be that I never had the dream before because now that I'm awake I don't remember having that dream before. So that means while I was dreaming, I was able to tell the future of what will happen in that comercial. So time travel probably actually works through dreams, it's just not something we are able to develop much or control. But this was a very weird occurance. Sort of like a deja vu.

I also had a dream the hot water heater broke again.

But I think it was actually the same dream, since after realizing it broke I just went to watch TV. for some reason the hot water heater and the microwave were in the washroom. Dreams are just so weird sometimes.

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Stasi · Post by **Stasi** » Mon Jul 05, 2004 5:24 pm

Red Squirrel wrote: It's not that it's not logical, it's that people refuse to see the logic.

Okay. The illogical usually think THEY are logical, and that everyone else is illogical.

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MrSelf · Post by **MrSelf** » Mon Jul 05, 2004 5:50 pm

Stasi, I promise you, it's not worth it. Logic has been tried, and failed. I doubt some here really know what logic truely is.

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Red Squirrel · Post by **Red Squirrel** » Mon Jul 05, 2004 6:24 pm

Logic is when something is logical.

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Stasi · Post by **Stasi** » Mon Jul 05, 2004 8:15 pm

MrSelf wrote: Stasi, I promise you, it's not worth it. Logic has been tried, and failed. I doubt some here really know what logic truely is.

Hehe, I know. It's pointless to argue....

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MagicBrowser · Post by **MagicBrowser** » Tue Jul 06, 2004 9:14 pm

Hmm, I don't really get what Leibniz is one about here, I think he should have just stuck with calculus and called it a day

I take it he would reject modern views of time, right?

EDIT: Oh, didn't see this smilie, let me rephrase:

Hmm, I don't really get what that

Leibniz is one about here, I think the

should have just stuck with his (or at least partially his)

calculus and called it a

day

I take it he would be a

and reject modern views of time, right?

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