stupid IE

Red Squirrel · Post by **Red Squirrel** » Sun Nov 20, 2005 4:37 pm

Just noticed IE does not support the css absolute align parameter, so when this site is viewed in IE half the christmas decorations are missing and it looks like crap. Oh well, people shoul't be using a 2001 browser by now anyway.... unfortunatly lot of people still are.

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jryan · Post by **jryan** » Sun Nov 20, 2005 5:22 pm

Fact of the matter is, as much as some may like <insert your favorite browser here>, IE is widely used in many environments and as a result, you have to try and stay compatible with it. For example, if I put FireFox on my laptop, it loads slowly. I keep IE on there not because it's amazing, but because Version 7 loads fairly quick and stays compatible with what most of our clients use thus I know that my stuff is working.

But.... this isn't the right post for browser debates.

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Red Squirrel · Post by **Red Squirrel** » Sun Nov 20, 2005 5:26 pm

Yeah it is an unfortunate fact that it's the most used browser (70% or something like that?) Since it's by far the worse browser when it comes to HTML standards.

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Death · Post by **Death** » Sun Nov 20, 2005 5:33 pm

Ya, I know. I have to make my HTML projects look good in IE and in doing that, they end up looking worse in other browsers (go figure). Remind me never to become a web designer. I have grey hair now after completing my huge web project. This weekend was a day in hell for sure

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Red Squirrel · Post by **Red Squirrel** » Sun Nov 20, 2005 5:34 pm

Yeah it can be frustrating. Now that's why I just rebell against IE and say "screw it" since at least it works in every other browser out there. well in most cases, I've seen where something works in firefox but not opera, but I've only see it once.

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Chris Vogel · Post by **Chris Vogel** » Sun Nov 20, 2005 11:37 pm

Seventy percent is unfortunately much too low a number, Red. The media have recently reported usage at slightly under ninety percent.

Opera is getting XSLT, Firefox is getting SVG by default and XForms by plug-in, and IE 7 has more improvements than I ever dared to expect. Don’t laugh, but I have mountains of optimism that just won’t die.

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Red Squirrel · Post by **Red Squirrel** » Mon Nov 21, 2005 12:15 am

Yeah I heard the same too, hopefully it's true.

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jryan · Post by **jryan** » Tue Nov 22, 2005 10:39 pm

From what I've seen with IE 7 (I've used it

) there are alot of improvements.

What I'm saying here is not that IE is perfect, but realize something... there's a large push to stay competitve in the market and, as a software developer myself, I understand that sometimes you can't encorporate everything you want into an initial product, because there's too high of a rush to get it to market. Fact of the matter is, you're always going to have differing sides, especially when it comes to web technology.

Originally we had Netscape(based on a Mozilla core) and IE... (remember IE 3?).. back before the existance of Firefox and when everyone that I know hated Netscape. Now look at it. You're using a browser that, in many respects (especially if you're using strait Mozilla and not firefox) closely resembles it's former self and you're crying out against a piece of software that's playing catch up because the company has a couple hundred other products it's developpers have to work on.

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Red Squirrel · Post by **Red Squirrel** » Tue Nov 22, 2005 11:09 pm

Well got to admit if everything I heard about IE7 is real, that's realy good. Especially the transparant PNG support. About time they get that right, that and css sub properties like hover, focus, etc.

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jryan · Post by **jryan** » Wed Nov 23, 2005 6:24 pm

Actually, did some research today.

Originally, there was NCSA Mosiac. Mosiac had a licensing going where you could pay and have access to the code. A company called Spyglass released thier own version called Spyglass Mosiac which was then purchased by Microsoft to eventually emerge as Internet Explorer. Mozilla on the other hand, was Mosiac with a new name (hence Netscape) which eventually went open source. What does that mean for us? Mozilla and IE are from the original tree haha.

I was also reading a TechNet article about IE and it's support of standards, bascially that MS was integrating features it felt would benifit it's customers. Therefore it's supporting standards, but selectively so. Maybe we'll see broader support of the W3 standards in the future, but even if we don't, maybe we'll just see some cross-browser commonality.

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Death · Post by **Death** » Wed Nov 23, 2005 6:45 pm

wow, what a twist. Never would have thought that

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Triple6_wild · Post by **Triple6_wild** » Wed Nov 23, 2005 10:43 pm

jryan wrote: Actually, did some research today.

Originally, there was NCSA Mosiac. Mosiac had a licensing going where you could pay and have access to the code. A company called Spyglass released thier own version called Spyglass Mosiac which was then purchased by Microsoft to eventually emerge as Internet Explorer. Mozilla on the other hand, was Mosiac with a new name (hence Netscape) which eventually went open source. What does that mean for us? Mozilla and IE are from the original tree haha.

I was also reading a TechNet article about IE and it's support of standards, bascially that MS was integrating features it felt would benifit it's customers. Therefore it's supporting standards, but selectively so. Maybe we'll see broader support of the W3 standards in the future, but even if we don't, maybe we'll just see some cross-browser commonality.

my mozilla is related to IE

some things are better left unkown

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Chris Vogel · Post by **Chris Vogel** » Thu Nov 24, 2005 12:52 am

Triple6_wild wrote: my mozilla is related to IE

some things are better left unkown

Mind you, the rendering engine and other major parts of Mozilla were written from scratch for Netscape 6. Unfortunately, the code lacked the utter perfection of today’s, and Netscape 6 was a failure.

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