Dealing with spammers, scammers

Red Squirrel · Post by **Red Squirrel** » Sat Jan 15, 2005 1:05 am

This very annoying company owns like 20 different domains and they use them to spam people, and scam them into thinking it's legit mortgages.

Anyway, decided I'd teach them a lesson or two. This is sending a packet to submit a form over and over again. The form just has lot of junk data and the email address used is invalid, not only is it invalid, but the domain is that server's domain, so guess what server it has to connect to, in order to send the email. then the server has to send a bounce email saying it's invalid, and guess where that bounce email is going to go - to that domain, to an invalid email address, get what I'm saying?

This is all assuming the form sends an email to someone, or at least to that email (ex: a confirmation).

Simply put, I give it a few days and their server should be filled with so much emails they might have a slight idea of what it is like to get spam from them.

The law won't do anything about this crap, so it's time people start doing something.

I should make this a DCing project and release it to the public

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Nathan · Post by **Nathan** » Sat Jan 15, 2005 10:05 am

Damn, Excellent.

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Red Squirrel · Post by **Red Squirrel** » Sat Jan 15, 2005 12:39 pm

This morning I came, and it was done! woo 100,000 form submissions.

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Death · Post by **Death** » Sat Jan 15, 2005 9:03 pm

LOL. I'll be they're saying: "AWWW DAMN SPAM". Wouldn't it be funny if they picked up anti-spam software the next day? I think they'd eradicate their domains! That would be sooooo funny.

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Pyr-O-Rgasm · Post by **Pyr-O-Rgasm** » Wed Jan 19, 2005 1:13 am

Wow, that's awesome. You really need to release it to the public.

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Red Squirrel · Post by **Red Squirrel** » Wed Jan 19, 2005 1:10 pm

Yeah I need to just improve the program to make it so you can customize the form's content, and release it. It could work like a distributing computing project. Problem is, it would get big fast, and I'd probably be the one getting sued for it.

But at least in the meanwhile it would teach those spammers a lesson, tempoararly.

BTW welcome aboard!

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Anonymous · Post by **Anonymous** » Wed Jun 08, 2005 1:12 am

Red Squirrel:
Curious whether you continue to recieve anything from those domains or spammers?

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Red Squirrel · Post by **Red Squirrel** » Wed Jun 08, 2005 8:01 am

Nothing. The mortgage sites are scared of my Ping of Deaths and painful,endless form submissions of doom, while the forum spammers get caught in the filter and don't bother trying again. Suprisingly most forum spammers quit on first try, so they're actually not as bad as email spammers.

Mind you I still get over 100 spam emails per day making it in the spam box. No false positives (that I noticed) and hardly any false negatives. This is after months of tweaking and training the filter software. (spamassassin) Now my host also runs a spam filter software so I basically have double filters.

The forum filter is very simple and one could easly get around it, but most forum spammers don't realize it's there.

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aznsamaritan · Post by **aznsamaritan** » Wed Jun 08, 2005 6:09 pm

lmao thats awesome red

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aznsamaritan · Post by **aznsamaritan** » Wed Jun 08, 2005 6:15 pm

u gotta teach me how to do that lmao

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Streety · Post by **Streety** » Wed Jun 08, 2005 6:18 pm

Didn't lycos try something like this? I think they stopped it though because there were legal questions over whether it was a DDoS attack.

100,000 is a hell of a lot though!

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Red Squirrel · Post by **Red Squirrel** » Wed Jun 08, 2005 7:39 pm

Yeah what lycos did was a good deed, I wish the goverments would of supported it.

That's the thing, mass killing spammers requires goverment support otherwise you're shooting yourself in the foot. I dont know why the goverments won't do anything about spam.

If I would of did this in the states I would of probably had the FBI all over my house, over doing a good deed.

I need to recode my DoSer, I have to figure out how to specify the socket timeout value so I can make more efficient programs. I also need to learn packet manupulation, so I can do lower level DoS attacks, those are the ones that hurt more, especially if combined with the higher level http ones.

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aznsamaritan · Post by **aznsamaritan** » Wed Jun 08, 2005 11:57 pm

._.....???

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Anonymous · Post by **Anonymous** » Fri Mar 03, 2006 3:12 pm

Many cyberstalkers are caught because they don't use anonymous proxy but when they remain anonymous , (Several methods to do it) with anonymous proxies , chain of proxies , anonymous proxy with a firewall , they restrict all conections except for the anonymous proxy (one of the safest method to stay anonymous) , if they are with a LAN behind a wingate (one of the safest method) , if they hack pc computers from other countries (the safest nº1 method) , they use a chain of them and use it for cyberstalking... its very hard to track them and police don't waste time to make an investigation

Unfortunately now some cyberstalkers are not "stupids" and they use several methods to stay anonymous. Many cyberstalkers visits many hack webs pages to learn how to stay anonymous.

So definitely:

If a cyberstalker not use proxy: possible to track him

If a cyberstalker use anonymous proxy: difficult to track him.

If a cyberstalker use a chain of 2 or 3 anonymous proxy: 99% difficult to track him

If a cyberstalker use anonymous proxy with a firewall installed: 99% difficult to track him

If a cyberstalker use a LAN behind wingate: 99% difficult to track him

If a cyberstalker use remotes pc computers from differents countries : 99.99% difficult to track him

if a cyberstalker from other country without proxy is posible to track him but no punish.

if a cyberstalker from other country with a proxy:99% difficult to track him.

Unless if you have a lot of money , if u are poor as i , you cant do anything when they use those methods

.

A friend of mine who has a web page , it was hacked 4 times during 2004 , so he call to his ISP proxy , No response , they call police , they said that is the hacker located out from my country they can tell it to interpol but they only waste time in bigger crimes such as pedophilia , frauds...
Interpol dont waste time in crimes such as cyberstalking

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Maybe 1% of cyberstalkers who use anonymous methods to stay anonymous are caugth , 99% are free.

Greetings

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