Chaos steeds

dprantl · Post by **dprantl** » Fri Jul 06, 2007 3:10 pm

I thought it was agreed that existing pets would not be nerfed and would be considered pre-patch tames...

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Red Squirrel · Post by **Red Squirrel** » Fri Jul 06, 2007 3:55 pm

only global change to those was making them do chaos damage instead of physical. You could be getting unlucky and its hitting the highest resist. (chaos = random damage type).

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dprantl · Post by **dprantl** » Fri Jul 06, 2007 5:12 pm

Red Squirrel wrote:only global change to those was making them do chaos damage instead of physical. You could be getting unlucky and its hitting the highest resist. (chaos = random damage type).

Actually, both of my chaos steeds have had their fire and cold resists reduced. They both used to be at 100

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Red Squirrel · Post by **Red Squirrel** » Fri Jul 06, 2007 5:15 pm

Hmm unless the caps got changed. The tool I use to global stuff reduces any stat that is higher then that of the "clone" that I use. I had made a chaos steed and maxed it out then ran the tool on it.

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dprantl · Post by **dprantl** » Fri Jul 06, 2007 5:18 pm

Red Squirrel wrote:Hmm unless the caps got changed. The tool I use to global stuff reduces any stat that is higher then that of the "clone" that I use. I had made a chaos steed and maxed it out then ran the tool on it.

Yes, the caps were changed. Hence why my original post about pre-patch versions...

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Nosferatu · Post by **Nosferatu** » Fri Jul 06, 2007 5:19 pm

ur versions were haxxeeedd. lol

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Gaiava Arkkaza · Post by **Gaiava Arkkaza** » Sun Jul 08, 2007 11:05 pm

Yeah, that was me. I nerfed every of the legendary steeds in a manner they wouldnt give colosssal advantages to tamers anymore. They are still as good, though, except resist wise.

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Lymus · Post by **Lymus** » Sun Jul 08, 2007 11:17 pm

Gaiava Arkkaza wrote:Yeah, that was me. I nerfed every of the legendary steeds in a manner they wouldnt give colosssal advantages to tamers anymore. They are still as good, though, except resist wise.

Please make announcements about this stuff.

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dprantl · Post by **dprantl** » Mon Jul 09, 2007 5:02 pm

So can this please be fixed and keep the old chaos steeds the pre-patch versions?

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Gaiava Arkkaza · Post by **Gaiava Arkkaza** » Mon Jul 09, 2007 5:54 pm

Lymus wrote:
Gaiava Arkkaza wrote:Yeah, that was me. I nerfed every of the legendary steeds in a manner they wouldnt give colosssal advantages to tamers anymore. They are still as good, though, except resist wise.
Please make announcements about this stuff.

huh, lol? I did a HUGE announcement about this. Not just in the forums, but in-game as well. About the pre-patchl steeds, Its up to Ryan now.

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Red Squirrel · Post by **Red Squirrel** » Mon Jul 09, 2007 7:11 pm

well 100 of multiple resists on a single pet seems kinda overpowered. 1 is fine, like the yoshies its physical, the squirrels its nox etc... but two is a bit too much. Think this is one of few exeptions where the global nerf has to be done for pets. Valorite dragons for example are being nerfed massively, I'm glad theres not many on the server now. I have no idea where they even spawn now.

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dprantl · Post by **dprantl** » Mon Jul 09, 2007 9:50 pm

Red Squirrel wrote:well 100 of multiple resists on a single pet seems kinda overpowered. 1 is fine, like the yoshies its physical, the squirrels its nox etc... but two is a bit too much. Think this is one of few exeptions where the global nerf has to be done for pets. Valorite dragons for example are being nerfed massively, I'm glad theres not many on the server now. I have no idea where they even spawn now.

Ok, can we make them just 100 fire then? That was what made them legendary IMO.

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Dumples · Post by **Dumples** » Mon Jul 09, 2007 10:52 pm

Red Squirrel wrote:well 100 of multiple resists on a single pet seems kinda overpowered. 1 is fine, like the yoshies its physical, the squirrels its nox etc... but two is a bit too much. Think this is one of few exeptions where the global nerf has to be done for pets. Valorite dragons for example are being nerfed massively, I'm glad theres not many on the server now. I have no idea where they even spawn now.

Actually, it's funny you mentioned the valorite dragons. I am one of the people that have one. It's a great tank, but without going into great detail I've found that I don't use mine much because it isn't good enough in a lot of cases. I've found the AW a lot more versatile. I'm interested to see what is planned for change on the Valorite dragon.

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Gaiava Arkkaza · Post by **Gaiava Arkkaza** » Mon Jul 09, 2007 11:15 pm

dprantl wrote:
Red Squirrel wrote:well 100 of multiple resists on a single pet seems kinda overpowered. 1 is fine, like the yoshies its physical, the squirrels its nox etc... but two is a bit too much. Think this is one of few exeptions where the global nerf has to be done for pets. Valorite dragons for example are being nerfed massively, I'm glad theres not many on the server now. I have no idea where they even spawn now.
Ok, can we make them just 100 fire then? That was what made them legendary IMO.

Huh, actually, its their rarity that makes them legendary. Also their ungodly damage and lethal poison every hit. The main reason I will NOT make it have 100 on any resist is simple: a legendary necromancer can have one of those steeds. Same way a legendary paladin can have a Holy War Horse, a legendary mage can have a black unicorn...

Red Squirrel wrote:well 100 of multiple resists on a single pet seems kinda overpowered. 1 is fine, like the yoshies its physical, the squirrels its nox etc... but two is a bit too much. Think this is one of few exeptions where the global nerf has to be done for pets. Valorite dragons for example are being nerfed massively, I'm glad theres not many on the server now. I have no idea where they even spawn now.

They dont spawn anywhere, they are going to spawn in a dungeon called Dragon's Den, which can only be reached by the Dark Palace.

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Dumples · Post by **Dumples** » Mon Jul 09, 2007 11:20 pm

I'm actually looking forward to this new dungeon by the way. Sounds like it will be cool.

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dprantl · Post by **dprantl** » Mon Jul 09, 2007 11:29 pm

Gaiava Arkkaza wrote:The main reason I will NOT make it have 100 on any resist is simple: a legendary necromancer can have one of those steeds. Same way a legendary paladin can have a Holy War Horse, a legendary mage can have a black unicorn...

Yes, yes, I am still talking about the pre-patch ones...

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Gaiava Arkkaza · Post by **Gaiava Arkkaza** » Tue Jul 10, 2007 12:38 pm

dprantl wrote:
Gaiava Arkkaza wrote:The main reason I will NOT make it have 100 on any resist is simple: a legendary necromancer can have one of those steeds. Same way a legendary paladin can have a Holy War Horse, a legendary mage can have a black unicorn...
Yes, yes, I am still talking about the pre-patch ones...

Same here. The decision is up to Ryan, though. If we consider pre-patchs one, I'm still considering my 3 chaos steeds on my necro characters. I dont find it fair to have a unkillable thing. =P

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dprantl · Post by **dprantl** » Tue Jul 10, 2007 12:58 pm

Gaiava Arkkaza wrote:
dprantl wrote:
Gaiava Arkkaza wrote:The main reason I will NOT make it have 100 on any resist is simple: a legendary necromancer can have one of those steeds. Same way a legendary paladin can have a Holy War Horse, a legendary mage can have a black unicorn...
Yes, yes, I am still talking about the pre-patch ones...
Same here. The decision is up to Ryan, though. If we consider pre-patchs one, I'm still considering my 3 chaos steeds on my necro characters. I dont find it fair to have a unkillable thing. =P

Heh, I can kill a pre-patch chaos steed in 5 seconds. They all have relatively low energy resist so they are very susceptible to energy bolt and lightning, or any other energy attack. In fact, I would say it's easier for a player to kill a chaos steed than it is to kill a nightmare, since the steed doesn't cast anything and has similar energy resist and HP. So really, when it comes to field PvP (can't use them in a duel arena), a chaos steed and holy warhorse are pretty useless. I could see a black unicorn being somewhat useful, but its phys resist is so low it would be cut down very fast.

And lets face it, changing the steed's fire resist from 90 to 100 will have no effect on its PvP ability anyway.

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Gaiava Arkkaza · Post by **Gaiava Arkkaza** » Tue Jul 10, 2007 4:07 pm

dprantl wrote:
Gaiava Arkkaza wrote:
dprantl wrote:
Yes, yes, I am still talking about the pre-patch ones...
Same here. The decision is up to Ryan, though. If we consider pre-patchs one, I'm still considering my 3 chaos steeds on my necro characters. I dont find it fair to have a unkillable thing. =P
Heh, I can kill a pre-patch chaos steed in 5 seconds. They all have relatively low energy resist so they are very susceptible to energy bolt and lightning, or any other energy attack. In fact, I would say it's easier for a player to kill a chaos steed than it is to kill a nightmare, since the steed doesn't cast anything and has similar energy resist and HP. So really, when it comes to field PvP (can't use them in a duel arena), a chaos steed and holy warhorse are pretty useless. I could see a black unicorn being somewhat useful, but its phys resist is so low it would be cut down very fast.

And lets face it, changing the steed's fire resist from 90 to 100 will have no effect on its PvP ability anyway.

I'm looking mainly PvM wise. And I can make my chaos steed a killing machine if I make a mage with 120 necromancy. I'd just use the same tactic as when I use my hiryu, except I'd need bolas.

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