Make arms lore work on BRSKs.

Gaiava Arkkaza · Post by **Gaiava Arkkaza** » Mon Jun 04, 2007 12:54 pm

Two reasons:

Med is useless. And metal armor can come with mage armor.
Leather armor wears out WAYYY faster then metal.
Blacksmiths can craft weapons too. :'< Not fair!

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Lymus · Post by **Lymus** » Mon Jun 04, 2007 1:06 pm

It's also easier to get leather than metal. That's the trade off you get for not being able to craft weapons.

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Red Squirrel · Post by **Red Squirrel** » Mon Jun 04, 2007 1:16 pm

I made it only work on metal because it gives a reason to make metal armor, otherwise, theres absolutely no reason. leather already has higher resists then metal by default (which makes no sense) so theres no use in giving it even MORE resists.

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Gaiava Arkkaza · Post by **Gaiava Arkkaza** » Mon Jun 04, 2007 1:33 pm

Big no no here lol. Its way easier to get ingots here then leather. Do a paracelsus and you will have 100k ingots right away. Can you get the same ammount of leather from a champ spawn? Doubt it.
Ah, something you will prolly want to fix, remove the runics from paracelsus and put in the ele lords.

- Leather armor just has more chance of comming exceptional then metal ones. The fact is, metal armor has higher specific resists, and more variety, while leather armors has overall resists. Example: Dull copper has retarded phys resists, while spined leather has craaaaaaaaaap resists, but is medable and has 40 luck.
- I crafted a plate chest with 22/22/20/24/21, AND 8 lmc 2 mr when I was testing it. I dont see a reason to craft leather armor tbh, theres no need for med in here at all, neither focus.
- Huh, Did I mention thats unfair?
- People only craft leather armor in Demise for two reasons:

1: Outrageously hard to get metal runics. Thats totally different here.
2: Leather armor is ligher and medable. Doenst matter here.

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Nosferatu · Post by **Nosferatu** » Mon Jun 04, 2007 1:34 pm

is life fair?

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Gaiava Arkkaza · Post by **Gaiava Arkkaza** » Mon Jun 04, 2007 1:35 pm

Nosferatu wrote:is life fair?

Except for a few bones hurting atm, yeah. Btw, just checked, Val : Barbed leather, valorite has more resists then barbed. (leather arms and plate arms)

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Red Squirrel · Post by **Red Squirrel** » Mon Jun 04, 2007 2:33 pm

Paracelsus is 1 in 100 to get a valorite runic, so I would not exactly say that they're easy to get, just easier then the retarded bod system.

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Nosferatu · Post by **Nosferatu** » Mon Jun 04, 2007 2:37 pm

can we delete the crap bods like weps .. actually can you please remove all bods that are worthless in this game.

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Gaiava Arkkaza · Post by **Gaiava Arkkaza** » Mon Jun 04, 2007 2:50 pm

Red Squirrel wrote:Paracelsus is 1 in 100 to get a valorite runic, so I would not exactly say that they're easy to get, just easier then the retarded bod system.

Still easier then getting a BRSK. Way easier. To get a BRSK it takes 700 bods technically, more or less. Not to mention paracelsus dies in... what, 10 spells?

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Lymus · Post by **Lymus** » Mon Jun 04, 2007 2:54 pm

Gaiava Arkkaza wrote:Big no no here lol. Its way easier to get ingots here then leather. Do a paracelsus and you will have 100k ingots right away. Can you get the same ammount of leather from a champ spawn? Doubt it.
[AW, 40 barbed hides. In Felucca, 80 barbed hides. Also easier to camp an AW than it is a paracelsus, seeing para is a champ spawn boss. Source: http://uo.stratics.com/database/view.ph ... ers&id=102 ]

Ah, something you will prolly want to fix, remove the runics from paracelsus and put in the ele lords.
[Makes more sense on Para, in my opinion. Why on the elemental lore?]

- Leather armor just has more chance of comming exceptional then metal ones. The fact is, metal armor has higher specific resists, and more variety, while leather armors has overall resists. Example: Dull copper has retarded phys resists, while spined leather has craaaaaaaaaap resists, but is medable and has 40 luck.
[Opposite: For getting an extremely high value in one resist (30/x/x/x/x is possible), Leather tends to be more varied (10s are often in many catagories).]

- I crafted a plate chest with 22/22/20/24/21, AND 8 lmc 2 mr when I was testing it. I dont see a reason to craft leather armor tbh, theres no need for med in here at all, neither focus.
[There many not be a 'need' for med in your opinion, but the general population of the server still has med. I know Desafiai does. Also, what was your crafting skill? 150? Or 120? Most people don't have 120 smithing here yet.]

- Huh, Did I mention thats unfair?
[Red Herring argument, Bruno. Won't help you much.]

- People only craft leather armor in Demise for two reasons:

1: Outrageously hard to get metal runics. Thats totally different here.
[It is also pretty damn expensive to get ANY good runic.]

2: Leather armor is ligher and medable. Doenst matter here.
[I don't think anyone cares about the weight of leather. The main thing is it's medit, and easiest to make.]

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Gaiava Arkkaza · Post by **Gaiava Arkkaza** » Mon Jun 04, 2007 3:13 pm

-120 Smith when I was testing it. Rather easy to get when people farm champs like mad. I know Eby sells almost (if not all) of the ps's for 50k max.

-You dont need meditation seeing you can get 15 MR (the max you will ever get in Demise, for example) WAAAY so easily. Also, Squirrel already said he wont remove TOTs, making RBCs and such WAAAAAAAY easier to et, and as a consquence, with the value of a banana. Not getting into economy stuff now though.

The unique character with meditation I have is my crafter, and thats just because LMC doenst works for inscription.

-Since when leather gets 30 resists? Max is 26 and thats a 1/1000 chance. With the new stuff you can easily get an item with 40 resists if you get a bit lucky.

-Paracelsus is a weakling, in fact, I got 2 val runics on that spawn so far, not to mention the other kinds.
Ele lords would make the runics actually worth it, specially since crafters are ALREADY super undervalued here due to the retarded amount of artifacts. If we change it to ele lords, it will not be just a go kill boss and go craft thing.

-I care about weigh. My suit made of leather is 2x lighter then if it was made of plate. That would eat half of my backpack space, leaving MUCH less space for loot and resources like arrows.

-I find it easier to solo a paracelsus (amazingly easy to do) and get 50k+ ingots then waiting for the AW to spawn and so on.
In the time I've acquired 1k barbed leather in Fel, I've gotten to level 2 on the ele spawn already.

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Lymus · Post by **Lymus** » Mon Jun 04, 2007 3:20 pm

Yes, most people have good MR. But, we have to remember those who don't have leet suits like all of us do. Desafiai has 18 MR without Medit included, but not everyone is like that.

I never said leather gets 30s. I said Leather tends to be more varied, while having many 10s in multiple catagories, where metal has 30/1/6/3/6

I say the problem with Para is we haven't buffed him like we should for a champion.

If you care about your weight, and seeming you're so leet for all this uber stuff, might as well get some of them blessed bags of sending =P

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Red Squirrel · Post by **Red Squirrel** » Mon Jun 04, 2007 3:58 pm

Also paracelsus is probably one of the hardest champions compared to others. Think the only harder one would be oaks. It took me nearly an hour to solo just the champion alone with my archer a while back, since he kept pulling me and insta killing. He cannot be tanked since he disarms too. He has low physical but thats about the only change.

Also for every paracelsus that dies, an elemental lord dies too, so moving the runics (which I'll do eventually) won't change the rarity level.

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Gaiava Arkkaza · Post by **Gaiava Arkkaza** » Mon Jun 04, 2007 4:18 pm

About the MR part... no need for uber suits, just go hunt vorpals for a few hours and you can get at least a 30+ lmc 10+ mr suit. Crap resists, but still.

Paracelsus dies to two mages using harm spams, hes not even close to hard, at all. Not all the elemental skulls go DIRECTLY to the elemental lord... as far I've seen, most people die at least 10 times before the ele lord was actually dead. But if we are gonna compare champions, they are easier then most regular mobs. (I find oaks easier then a AW tbh)

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Finlander · Post by **Finlander** » Mon Jun 04, 2007 4:55 pm

i dont think para is hard

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dprantl · Post by **dprantl** » Mon Jun 04, 2007 5:04 pm

Paracelsus himself is not hard. It's the spawn that takes a long time.

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