Us Anti-spam Laws 'will Legalise Spam'

manadren_it · Post by **manadren_it** » Tue Jul 01, 2003 7:49 pm

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US anti-spam laws 'will legalise spam'
By John Leyden
Posted: 01/07/2003 at 15:20 GMT

Proposed US legislation designed to clamp down on the spam is only likely to make the problem far worse, according to a leading anti-spam activist.

Steve Linford, founder and director of the UK-based Spamhaus Project, a non-profit organisation that tracks the activities of the world's biggest spammers, warned that legislation currently going through congress would lend legitimacy to bulk mailing.

"The legislation Congress is considering would legalise opt-out spamming," Linford argued. "All the US spammers we track support the Bill because it means they wouldn't have to hide any more."

"If the US passes an opt-out law, which I believe is likely to happen by the start of next year, the spam problem would explode. Providing they don't use deceptive subject lines any one of 23 million small US business could begin spamming," he added.

E-marketeers need to seek permission of consumers before they send out commercial emails if the opt-in approach is followed. By contrast, under an opt-out approach a person would have to ask to be removed from a particular mailing list. The latter (far less strict) approach is favoured by the Direct Marketing Association and many of the most prolific bulk mailers currently in operation.

Spamhaus estimates around 200 individuals, most of whom are US-based, are responsible for around 90 percent of world's spam messages (or at least nine in 10 of those who can be traced, anyway). Several are based in Boca Raton, Florida, which has earned the unenviable reputation at the world's spam capitol.

Many of these spammers have "criminal records as long as your arm, and no intention to stop spamming whatever the law says", according to Linford.

However if legislators pass laws to "ban spam" then the problem can be driven underground and reduced to a level where technology can bring the spam nuisance down to manageable levels, Linford argues.

Linford made his comments at the Spam Summit, hosted by the All Party Internet Group at Westminster today, which debated the growing menace of spam email.

James Halpert, partner at US attorneys Piper Marbury Rudnick & Wolfe, and a specialist in e-commerce and privacy, disputed Linford's analysis on the effect of proposed US legislation. Consumer activisists aren't going to get the right to sue spammers or the opt-in lists they want, but this doesn't mean the proposed US legislation will make matters worse, he said.

According to Halpert, the majority of the spam problem comes from fraudulent spammers attempting to hide their identity in a "cat and mouse" game with ISPs and "hacker criminals" using open proxies to spew out torrents of junk mail. Clamping down on these kinds of abuse - through enforcement of upcoming anti-spam Bills - will help deal with spamming, Halpert argues.

Both Halpert and Linford, along with other speakers, agreed that a combination of technical and legal measures is needed to keep the spam problem down to manageable levels.

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Red Squirrel · Post by **Red Squirrel** » Tue Jul 01, 2003 7:57 pm

That's crazy! But on a positive note, if they officially make it illegal, they will be wasting too much time on something that is not really that harmful - it's just enoying! With high tech mail servers, you can block this stuff anyway. Once I can afford to build my LAN server, I'll have this email gateway for this purpose.

Now, I can legally advertize this site globally. Muhahahaha :spam3:

Actually, done it once with PC411 - got death threats and stuff, would not do it again.

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manadren_it · Post by **manadren_it** » Wed Jul 02, 2003 11:01 am

It's just an example of how politicians who don't really have a grasp of whats going on want to look good in front of their constituancies, but at the same time try to cater to corporations contributing to their campaign funds.

"look at me! I'm tough on spam! I supported an anti-spam bill!!!" That just legalized spam, just as long as it's not fraudulant and you can opt-out, and thereby get sold to 50 other spam lists instead.

Thanks mr senator, you're really helping solve the problem.

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Red Squirrel · Post by **Red Squirrel** » Wed Jul 02, 2003 3:39 pm

And 90% the spam is all fraud, like those "work at home and do nothing and get paid $150/hour" emails, it's pure BS. But people are stupid enough to fall for it that's the sad part. Otherwise they would eventually stop spamming if it would not be effective, but too many people fall for it. It's crazy.

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manadren_it · Post by **manadren_it** » Wed Jul 02, 2003 7:17 pm

I don't know about you, but the vast majority of my spam isn't fraudulent, it's porn, or the latest herbal boner pill, or buy a spam list spam, or get rid of spam spam, etc.

Basically all this would make illegal is stuff like the stupid nigerian money scam. Stuff like that "work from home" crap , would be legit because they are selling a legit product.. which just happens to be a piece of crap pamphlet telling you to buy real-estate. If that stuff was truely fraudulent, they would've banned their 3am infomercials a long time ago. There's a difference between being outright fraudulent and technically telling the truth, but not the whole truth.

There needs to be a federal spam law, and it needs to be an opt-in law. And it needs to be drawn up very carefully, because if there's a loophole the law will only be effective for about a week.

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