I'm just going to update this thread continuously...

jrhather · Post by **jrhather** » Tue Jul 08, 2008 8:42 pm

Please do.

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dprantl · Post by **dprantl** » Wed Jul 09, 2008 11:26 am

Red Squirrel wrote:In order to help encourage people to actually use different pets the AWs have been given a massive stat loss, they are more a symbol / rare then pwnage now.

Though their average tame hp should be more near 400ish so my guess is that one was just a bad one to start with, as their stats do range quite a bit.

I am willing to extract the deed given we have to also delete the AW.

Am I the only one that thinks it's stupid to make a 5 slot AW weaker than a regular dragon? When OSI is putting out tameable "super" dragons, sometimes I just don't understand you guys.

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jrhather · Post by **jrhather** » Wed Jul 09, 2008 11:33 am

dprantl wrote:
Red Squirrel wrote:In order to help encourage people to actually use different pets the AWs have been given a massive stat loss, they are more a symbol / rare then pwnage now.

Though their average tame hp should be more near 400ish so my guess is that one was just a bad one to start with, as their stats do range quite a bit.

I am willing to extract the deed given we have to also delete the AW.
Am I the only one that thinks it's stupid to make a 5 slot AW weaker than a regular dragon? When OSI is putting out tameable "super" dragons, sometimes I just don't understand you guys.

QFT

My AW dies to ratman archers. THAT is lame considering the trouble I had taming him.

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Death · Post by **Death** » Wed Jul 09, 2008 11:50 am

dprantl wrote: Am I the only one that thinks it's stupid to make a 5 slot AW weaker than a regular dragon? When OSI is putting out tameable "super" dragons, sometimes I just don't understand you guys.

Actually, I followed that same logic when jrather showed me that AW's stats. AWs are just waaaaaay too messed up. It lies in their coding where there's no happy medium to make them balanced, they always either go too powerful or too weak. It was unwise to create a taming model on a monster who's stats have been constantly modified to create a balance between the tamed version and the one you kill.

Actually, I'm tempted to just completely wipe AWs and replace them with the OSI 5 slot dragons instead (AWs would be destroyed in place of a pet bonding deed if bonded so you don't have to wait to bond a new dragon when you already had one). Reason being is we would be following a structure that's already strong. There's also a recent change that was made on TC1 to match OSI's change to AW power (It's actually lower than what we have currently, the whole WTFpwn/WTFcrap AW versions (The current HP range being an in between value of 700 which was wayyyyyy off)). This would mean that the stats would change again. If we created the OSI 5 slot dragons, they would be matching a model who's primary purpose was to be a tameable (AW's model is to kill the attacker with little effort).

Of course, a change like this in not likely possible unless there's a majority vote (and a great deal of research on the new dragons). Hmmm maybe I'll make a poll on it later.

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jrhather · Post by **jrhather** » Wed Jul 09, 2008 12:04 pm

I'm in favor of a smaller model.

Maybe a tamable minotaur with all the dragon features?

The AW's are huge and cumbersome.

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Death · Post by **Death** » Wed Jul 09, 2008 12:39 pm

jrhather wrote:I'm in favor of a smaller model.

Maybe a tamable minotaur with all the dragon features? The AW's are huge and cumbersome.

Actually, that too. The dragons are huge. They would be the same size as the other dragons which are slightly smaller.

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Death · Post by **Death** » Wed Jul 09, 2008 12:41 pm

jrhather wrote: Maybe a tamable minotaur with all the dragon features?

Minotaur aren't that powerful, cept for maybe Meraktus. They do have power in numbers though.

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dprantl · Post by **dprantl** » Wed Jul 09, 2008 2:46 pm

Seer Death wrote:
dprantl wrote: Am I the only one that thinks it's stupid to make a 5 slot AW weaker than a regular dragon? When OSI is putting out tameable "super" dragons, sometimes I just don't understand you guys.
Actually, I followed that same logic when jrather showed me that AW's stats.

Seriously, I'm glad. Too bad I don't have an OSI acct otherwise I would research those dragons. I did however find this, which looks to be accurate from what people are saying on various forums:

http://vm.or.tp/ve/791/a3dra50.htm

Note that there is no stat loss post-taming like a hiryu.

I was also reading about "honoring" monsters so they ignore you. That sounds interesting:

http://www.uoforums.com/f281/taming-gre ... ndex2.html

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Red Squirrel · Post by **Red Squirrel** » Wed Jul 09, 2008 3:21 pm

the honor embracing we have here. Lasts about 1 minute per tier I think, so max of 3 minutes.

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Death · Post by **Death** » Wed Jul 09, 2008 3:21 pm

dprantl wrote: Seriously, I'm glad. Too bad I don't have an OSI acct otherwise I would research those dragons. I did however find this, which looks to be accurate from what people are saying on various forums:

http://vm.or.tp/ve/791/a3dra50.htm

I'll take a look at that source later. I have 2 other credible sources so estimating is possible to get the right values for them. Whether or not our versions will have the stat loss is subject to analysis and testing (Our creature AI being different than standard, this is necessary).

dprantl wrote: I was also reading about "honoring" monsters so they ignore you. That sounds interesting:

http://www.uoforums.com/f281/taming-gre ... ndex2.html

We have that here (Something other runuo shards are lacking). Monsters will ignore you similar to how ethereal voyage and confusion blast potions work. We added that in around the same time as the new potions. Embracing honor proves to be incredibly useful for getting your corpse back or soloing certain named creatures without being disturbed.

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jrhather · Post by **jrhather** » Wed Jul 09, 2008 4:45 pm

Could you please check the range of Angry Fire... I keep getting killed by it FAR off screen.

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jrhather · Post by **jrhather** » Wed Jul 09, 2008 4:47 pm

Red Squirrel wrote: I am willing to extract the deed given we have to also delete the AW.

my second account, char name is paradigm

Thank you.

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Red Squirrel · Post by **Red Squirrel** » Wed Jul 09, 2008 5:00 pm

Page in game with that char with the pet out of stable. I'm on right now.

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Death · Post by **Death** » Wed Jul 09, 2008 5:06 pm

jrhather wrote:Could you please check the range of Angry Fire... I keep getting killed by it FAR off screen.

Think I set it waaaaay high. I'll check it.

lol did I ever. Didn't add a range so it could go 25 tiles

.

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jrhather · Post by **jrhather** » Wed Jul 09, 2008 5:30 pm

Seer Death wrote:
jrhather wrote:Could you please check the range of Angry Fire... I keep getting killed by it FAR off screen.
Think I set it waaaaay high. I'll check it.

lol did I ever. Didn't add a range so it could go 25 tiles .

Which reminds me... how do fan dancers and meer warriors react when strangled? i know on demise they can hit you know matter what or where you are....

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jrhather · Post by **jrhather** » Wed Jul 09, 2008 5:33 pm

Red Squirrel wrote:Page in game with that char with the pet out of stable. I'm on right now.

Done.

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Red Squirrel · Post by **Red Squirrel** » Wed Jul 09, 2008 5:34 pm

We have LOS checks for most mobs, if not its probably a bug.

The fan dancers kick ass, but they can't throw tessens through a cement wall.

(well should not be able to anyway).

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Red Squirrel · Post by **Red Squirrel** » Wed Jul 09, 2008 5:36 pm

jrhather wrote:
Red Squirrel wrote:Page in game with that char with the pet out of stable. I'm on right now.
Done.

Check your bag.

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Death · Post by **Death** » Wed Jul 09, 2008 5:41 pm

jrhather wrote:
Seer Death wrote:
jrhather wrote:Could you please check the range of Angry Fire... I keep getting killed by it FAR off screen.
Think I set it waaaaay high. I'll check it.

lol did I ever. Didn't add a range so it could go 25 tiles .
Which reminds me... how do fan dancers and meer warriors react when strangled? i know on demise they can hit you know matter what or where you are....

I fixed that when adding in an ability that was missing from fan dancers. They won't do that in the next update.

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jrhather · Post by **jrhather** » Wed Jul 09, 2008 5:45 pm

Red Squirrel wrote:
jrhather wrote:
Red Squirrel wrote:Page in game with that char with the pet out of stable. I'm on right now.
Done.
Check your bag.

Thanks!

Death...(I hate seeing a typo in someones quote.)

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Death · Post by **Death** » Wed Jul 09, 2008 5:51 pm

jrhather wrote: Death...(I hate seeing a typo in someones quote.)

* Is Confused *

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jrhather · Post by **jrhather** » Wed Jul 09, 2008 6:05 pm

Seer Death wrote:
jrhather wrote:
Seer Death wrote:
Think I set it waaaaay high. I'll check it.

lol did I ever. Didn't add a range so it could go 25 tiles .
Which reminds me... how do fan dancers and meer warriors react when strangled? i know on demise they can hit you [size=18pt]know [/size]matter what or where you are....
I fixed that when adding in an ability that was missing from fan dancers. They won't do that in the next update.

does that help?

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Death · Post by **Death** » Wed Jul 09, 2008 6:15 pm

Ah lol. Not my spelling mistake, I guess I could have put a [sic] in there somewhere.

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jrhather · Post by **jrhather** » Fri Jul 11, 2008 4:50 pm

I'd like to know the difference between all of the blades. Icy, elven, true etc whats the diff between a luckblade and an assassins spike. There is no info on these weapons.

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Death · Post by **Death** » Fri Jul 11, 2008 5:05 pm

jrhather wrote:I'd like to know the difference between all of the blades. Icy, elven, true etc whats the diff between a luckblade and an assassins spike. There is no info on these weapons.

They give extra bonuses. You might be able to check them out on stratics or some other sources. Should see if we can add a bonus line in the "more details" area of the craft. You never really know the bonus until you actually craft it.

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