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Chyse · Post by **Chyse** » Sun Sep 14, 2008 9:18 am

So I turned 18 yesterday...

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Stasi · Post by **Stasi** » Sun Sep 14, 2008 10:02 am

How "tinky" of you!

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Red Squirrel · Post by **Red Squirrel** » Sun Sep 14, 2008 1:22 pm

Fun, one more year and you'll be able to drink, smoke, gamble, and do all that fun stuff!

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Chris Vogel · Post by **Chris Vogel** » Mon Sep 15, 2008 3:31 am

Red Squirrel wrote: Fun, one more year and you'll be able to drink, smoke, gamble, and do all that fun stuff!

In your jurisdiction, perhaps.

Welcome to the forum, Adult GG!

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Clueless · Post by **Clueless** » Mon Sep 15, 2008 4:21 pm

lol the US drinking age is 21. and you can smoke and gamble at 18. im gonna be 19 in december! yay!

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Chris Vogel · Post by **Chris Vogel** » Mon Sep 15, 2008 5:23 pm

Clueless wrote: and you can smoke and gamble at 18. im gonna be 19 in december! yay!

The smoking age in Alabama is 19, and I’m pretty sure gamblers are executed.

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Red Squirrel · Post by **Red Squirrel** » Mon Sep 15, 2008 5:32 pm

Go to Quebec, its 18 there

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scherzo · Post by **scherzo** » Fri Sep 19, 2008 12:35 pm

Red Squirrel wrote: Go to Quebec, its 18 there

thought drinking was 17 in quebec?

Stupid drinking age laws, self ful-filling prophecy. Children don't like the taste of any alcohol beverage, and won't drink it anyways, think of 'green beans' etc. etc. they don't like it, they will continue not to like it

drinking laws only make it 'taboo' or a 'right of passage'. eliminate the laws, they are stupid

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Chyse · Post by **Chyse** » Fri Sep 19, 2008 1:35 pm

yeah, i found out cigars aren't all that great...they pretty much suck actually...tobacco tastes like balls.

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Reaper · Post by **Reaper** » Fri Sep 19, 2008 3:25 pm

Ah the typical mind of a new legal resident of the United States. "I'm going to try smoking because I can legally, even though I know what it can do to me." But you stopped, which is good. Too many people I know didn't.

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Chris Vogel · Post by **Chris Vogel** » Sat Sep 20, 2008 6:18 am

Reaper wrote: "I'm going to try smoking because I can legally, even though I know what it can do to me." But you stopped, which is good. Too many people I know didn't.

Many of my friends started smoking before they became adults. I didn’t realize what a good kid I was until I went to college.

Lots of guys around here chew, as if kissing isn’t already gross enough. They carry around little soda bottles to spit it in, or they just spit on the ground. Hawt.

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Red Squirrel · Post by **Red Squirrel** » Sat Sep 20, 2008 11:30 am

Yeah thats gross, and very bad for oral health lol.

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Stasi · Post by **Stasi** » Sun Sep 21, 2008 3:09 am

scherzo wrote: Children don't like the taste of any alcohol beverage, and won't drink it anyways, think of 'green beans' etc. etc. they don't like it, they will continue not to like it

Green beans don't have an intoxicating effect. There's nothing about eating green beans that requires some self-discipline and a sense of responsibility.

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Chyse · Post by **Chyse** » Mon Sep 22, 2008 1:29 pm

well it was a cigar, and i'm told it has less nicotine. like...7 times less than a cigarette. I'm not gonna smoke cigarettes cause those are disgusting. People smoke cigarettes as a habit and addiction. I think cigars are less...umm...for lack of a better word...stingy.

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Chris Vogel · Post by **Chris Vogel** » Mon Sep 22, 2008 6:36 pm

goalguarder12 wrote: well it was a cigar, and i'm told it has less nicotine. like...7 times less than a cigarette. I'm not gonna smoke cigarettes cause those are disgusting. People smoke cigarettes as a habit and addiction. I think cigars are less...umm...for lack of a better word...stingy.

Cigars have much more nicotine than cigarettes, but…

I think cigars are even more disgusting than cigarettes. You lost me with the whole “stingy” thing.

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Red Squirrel · Post by **Red Squirrel** » Mon Sep 22, 2008 7:54 pm

hmm I always figured cigars were considered cleaner, as in, less chemicals and health hazard crap. Not that they're good or anything....

Kinda like pot. The real stuff is rather natural and safer then cigs afaik. But its the stuff you get off the street, which may have added chemicals in it, thats really bad.

Pot smells good tbh... not that I've done it...

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scherzo · Post by **scherzo** » Tue Sep 23, 2008 11:01 am

Stasi wrote:
scherzo wrote: Children don't like the taste of any alcohol beverage, and won't drink it anyways, think of 'green beans' etc. etc. they don't like it, they will continue not to like it
Green beans don't have an intoxicating effect. There's nothing about eating green beans that requires some self-discipline and a sense of responsibility.

LOL, and 'age' is a pre-requisite to drinking reasponsibily? if this were true we wouldn't need to have DUI laws, as anyone old enough to drive would drink reasponsibly.

madd stats for 2001 in california had Average age - 33.5 for dui arrests

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Stasi · Post by **Stasi** » Tue Sep 23, 2008 3:28 pm

For anyone who has any experience in the real world, the notion that age always = increased maturity is wrong and that should go without saying. What should also go without saying for anyone who knows anything is that children and teenagers are generally less mature and responsible than older people.

****EDIT - edited for more careful wording so that this doesn't become some retarded internet argument over wording rather than the issue at hand....

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Red Squirrel · Post by **Red Squirrel** » Tue Sep 23, 2008 4:19 pm

Age is only a general maturity factor, but its a very very unacurate way of going. A 13 year old can actually be more mature then a 31 year old. *most* may not be, but does not mean age is the main factor of maturity.

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Reaper · Post by **Reaper** » Tue Sep 23, 2008 6:22 pm

I'm pretty sure the average DUI age is because the 33 year old can get his/her hands on beer a lot easier than a 16 year old can.

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scherzo · Post by **scherzo** » Tue Sep 23, 2008 8:25 pm

maturity, responsibility are all great ways to handle alcohol, however it isn't what the state has as a 'test' for drinking, they have decided 'age' is the best way to determine.

What then of communion? or Family gatherings, Weddings, celebrations?

Or how about flipping the tables and argue 'youths' being tried in court as adults for crime? If the state has convinced themselfs a youth can make the decisions of right or wrong, and be held as such, what changes then for the purchase of alcolhol?

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Stasi · Post by **Stasi** » Wed Sep 24, 2008 12:46 am

scherzo wrote: maturity, responsibility are all great ways to handle alcohol, however it isn't what the state has as a 'test' for drinking, they have decided 'age' is the best way to determine.

Quite frankly, the drinking age should be lowered to 18, the age at which both parents and the state more or less absolve themselves of legal responsibility for an individual. This is the age at which people should be able to make a choice as to what they put into their bodies (with some exceptions) and be expected to handle the consequences of abuse. To think that lowering the drinking age further, or abolishing it altogether will significantly reduce the level of abuse is a mistake. The drinking culture in this country is pathetic as it is and I don't think it has anything to do with age. To so many people, partying is all about the drinking. To so many people, they can't enjoy a social event without alcohol. This is the case for people who are 21, 30 years old, or older. I think it has so much more to do with the culture surrounding alcohol than it does the age at which people can legally buy it.

What then of communion? or Family gatherings, Weddings, celebrations?

We're not talking about the above. Even most, if not all, current states' drinking laws have exceptions allowing for younger people to consume alcohol in such cases of religious or other moderate use when supervised by a guardian.

Or how about flipping the tables and argue 'youths' being tried in court as adults for crime? If the state has convinced themselfs a youth can make the decisions of right or wrong, and be held as such, what changes then for the purchase of alcolhol?

Trying minors as adults occurs on a case-by-case basis where the crime is heinous enough that even a youth should recognize its wrongfulness and severity. This is a poor analogy with which to argue a position on drinking laws.

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flowergirlajg · Post by **flowergirlajg** » Sat Sep 27, 2008 9:26 pm

Well GG, congratulations.

I hate you. Go. Die. I. Still. Have. Six.Years.

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Red Squirrel · Post by **Red Squirrel** » Sat Sep 27, 2008 11:34 pm

You'd be surprised how fast it goes as you grow up. Every year seems to exponentially go faster.

I just can't believe its already been over 1 year that I'm out of college and working full time. To top it off, I already have like 4 people under me in terms of seniority lol.

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Chyse · Post by **Chyse** » Mon Sep 29, 2008 9:15 pm

flowergirlajg wrote: Well GG, congratulations.

I hate you. Go. Die. I. Still. Have. Six.Years.

Lol, you're 12? Stay there...don't ever grow up...ever...unless you can skip over the next ten years. High School is a bitch. Especially if you go to a college prep school. College is hard too, but at least you're away from home and you have less classes per day.

Edit: Driving isn't that big of a deal. And smoking is not that appealing. My GF hates it and i promised her i'd never do it again. Also, it's not helpful in any way. It doesn't relieve stress, it doesn't even taste good. Tobacco tastes like the inside of your toilet bowl after your fat uncle has used it. Not delicious. The only thing it's for is making you feel like you're older and like people can't tell you what to do. And if you want to do that, just buy a paintball gun and go paintballing people's houses from your car. It relieves much more stress, you have to wait to 18 to buy a gun, and your parents would hate it.

Having a license is good and bad. You can make people drive you around if you don't have one. But when you do, you can go wherever you want, whenever you want (provided you can afford the $4,000,000 for gas every week).

Don't be in a hurry to grow up. Yeah, you know more crap. Yeah, you get more responsibility. But do you have any idea what i'd give to go outside and pretend I was a space pirate on the deck in the back of my house and fight imaginary monsters with swords made out of card board paper towel rolls and some sticks from the woods?

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