Iraq Propoganda

[robonightmare]

let me get strieght to this. almost three years ago, when I was in sixth grade, several other classes were herded into my world cultures class for a 'presentation'.
A few minutes later, in waltzed a fully uniformed U.S. soldier. he was wearing camo shirt and pants, a camo helmet, and sunglasses. he introduced himself, and told us he was to be showing us 'actual scenes from Iraq' what he did show us was obviously mostly acting. the Iraqis said things like "thanks to america, I can live life again! thank you! thank you!" some other guys saw through it, but most sucked it up like a sponge! a goddamned sponge! afterwards, he told us that to be better americans, we should at least join the army reserves, once we are old enough, but, of course he said, "it is entirely up to you." such bull$hit shouldn't happen! what has our country been reduced to?! plz tell me what you think!

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[Red Squirrel]

Yeah I hate the acting propaganda crap.

Sure, some iraqis might be in a better situation because of the war, but I'd say 90% are in same/worse condition then when saddam ruled. Saddam is only part of the problem. They probably killed more good people then bad so far.

I find this whole situation also makes us stereotypical. Minute we hear iraqy first thing that comes to mind is terrorism, and thats sad, since not all iraqi's are terrorists. I'm sure lot of them are against their own people being part of these groups.

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[robonightmare]

It's terrible, really. If they want to show us videos, make them real! mostly, the American government seems to belive it's citizens to be stupid and gullible. especially young children. Thus, army commercials on children's TV channels, my little experiance in 6th grade, in other words, recruiting children for the army.
who would'nt hate that?

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[Stasi]

mostly, the American government seems to belive it's citizens  to be stupid and gullible. especially young children.

Where's the evidence that they're not? Hell, where's the evidence that people are significantly less stupid and gullible when they're 20?

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[Reaper]

It's called recruiting tactics. The Army, Navy, Air Force, Marines, Coast Guard always needs new recruits. I say, get over it. Those ads will always be around, call it propaganda if you want, but that doesn't change the fact they need recruits and use this as a way. Would you be a draft-dodger if the draft got reinstated?

I don't hate it. I know why they are there. And they aren't just on kids TV, which I've never seen on them anyway. Because all of the US military is voluntary the ads and those recruiters who came into your class 3 years ago are necessary.

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"such bull$hit shouldn't happen! what has our country been reduced to?! mad.gif plz tell me what you think!"
What, you want it to be like Israel? Everyone that turns 18 has to go into the army? Our country has been that this for. . .quite a while.

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[robonightmare]

First up, I do respect all of your opinions ENTIRELY. Please do not take any offence to anything I say.

I do not challange the fact that our government has a voluntary military AT ALL. I think it is a great thing that our country allows us that kind of freedom. I challange the moral issue that should or should we not try to influence our citizens to join the army. Sespifically, citizens below recruiting age. Should we send soldiers into sixth grade classrooms without consent of parents or teachers? I don't think so. After all, there IS signifigant proof that it is eaiser to instill beliefs in younger people than older people.

once again, I have the utmost respect for your ideas, and maybe I made a few harsh judgements in my beginning post. Please forgive me.

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[manadren]

mostly, the American government seems to belive it's citizens  to be stupid and gullible. especially young children.

Where's the evidence that they're not? Hell, where's the evidence that people are significantly less stupid and gullible when they're 20?

That's true, but for different reasons. Children are more gullible because they don't know any better. They've yet to gain the knowledge and experience to make an informed judgment. That and they are (relatively) more open minded to things outside their current world view.

Those at 20 and over are gullible because they, in some ways, chose to be. They choose to put their trust in certain sources of information and authority figures (trustworthy or not). They chose to trust these sources because they want to trust these sources and believe what they want to believe because it suits their needs. Though there are still those that lack the knowledge and experience to make an informed judgment. But really at that point it's no other fault than your own, at least in my opinion.

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[scherzo]

What would we think if Wallmart entered, had the auditorum full of 6th graders and started preaching how good it is to join 'Walmart'?


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[Stasi]

mostly, the American government seems to belive it's citizens  to be stupid and gullible. especially young children.

Where's the evidence that they're not? Hell, where's the evidence that people are significantly less stupid and gullible when they're 20?

That's true, but for different reasons. Children are more gullible because they don't know any better. They've yet to gain the knowledge and experience to make an informed judgment. That and they are (relatively) more open minded to things outside their current world view.

Those at 20 and over are gullible because they, in some ways, chose to be. They choose to put their trust in certain sources of information and authority figures (trustworthy or not). They chose to trust these sources because they want to trust these sources and believe what they want to believe because it suits their needs. Though there are still those that lack the knowledge and experience to make an informed judgment. But really at that point it's no other fault than your own, at least in my opinion.

Mmmm-hmmm.

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[Stasi]

What would we think if Wallmart entered, had the auditorum full of 6th graders and started preaching how good it is to join 'Walmart'?

So, recruitment for civil/national service = or ~ recruitment for Wal-Mart?

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[Bookworm]

What would we think if Wallmart entered, had the auditorum full of 6th graders and started preaching how good it is to join 'Walmart'?

Hey, the kids get that without being in an auditorium, everytime they go home and turn on the TV. There's bound to be a Walmart ad on eventually.

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[scherzo]

the idea is the schools open the door for one 'group' what are the floodgates used to stop others like walmart from entering?

the military is only one branch of the government, postal carriers are federal, customs, politicians, human reasorces, etc. etc.

currious as why the only branch of the government to walk in the door that day was the

military?


sounds like they need recruits, wonder whats happening to the other recruits?

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[Stasi]

First off, the school administrators decide who can come in and "recruit". The soldier that talked to the class was probably invited by the school. Secondly, there's recruiting and there's promotion. They're not quite the same thing. Was the soldier who showed up to the school taking people's phone numbers and whatnot? Based on the initial post, no. In fact, what was stated was one soldier's opinion. As for the video, apparently Robo doesn't know how things have changed in the last 3 years or so.

sounds like they need recruits, wonder whats happening to the other recruits?

Heh, lemme guess... you're trying to come up with some profound way to imply that they need recruits because of all the casualties from Iraq and Afghanistan? Congratulations, you have uncovered the hidden truth that soldiers die and get wounded in combat! The fact is, when hasn't the military had to actively recruit? It's a hard line of work - one that you don't seem to know much about. It's not only about refilling the numbers that die or become ineffective in certain jobs within the military due to injury. A lot of people join up for a few years for the benefits and higher education assistance. Others join up to gain technical skills that will get them into better jobs in the private sector - a way to get out of poverty, etc. Deployments are hard, whether they're combat or peace deployments. Probably most people in the military, or at least a large proportion of them, are not in it for a 20+ year career. Thus, the need to constantly find new people to join up.

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[scherzo]

The fact is, when hasn't the military had to actively recruit?  It's a hard line of work - one that you don't seem to know much about. 

think you have me confused for someone else? I have served in the Royal Canadian Artillery - one of the 3 branches of the Combat arms.

I thought I had made mention of this somewhere on this board, it is possible that I haven't, got to play on one of these




The experiences with the military are good ones, and I am still friends with those I served with, it creates a 'bond' different from that of the civi' world.

---- now for the school recruitment however, is a totally differnt issue.

As you are fond of making mention of the poverty issue, then lets ask ourselfs how many recruitment officers made their way to let us say

ivy leauge elemantary schools?

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[Stasi]

The fact is, when hasn't the military had to actively recruit?  It's a hard line of work - one that you don't seem to know much about. 

As you are fond of making mention of the poverty issue, then lets ask ourselfs how many recruitment officers made their way to let us say

ivy leauge elemantary schools?

I'm "fond" of making mention of the poverty issue? It was only one point among several.... In any case, I have no idea how many "recruitment officers" make their way to "ivy league elementary schools", do you? However, what I do know is that most recruits come from rural and suburban areas (Look here). Also, the racial demographic breakdown of those dying, at least in Iraq, is pretty close to the breakdown of the general U.S. population, with blacks and hispanics actually underrepresented (Look here).

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