Is Bush really the man for the job?

monss · Post by **monss** » Thu Nov 04, 2004 2:25 pm

Now one question? I live in Canada so my feeling towards Bush is different then that of an american or anyone to that matter. But one thing i really don't like the man and i know a lot of people don't eather. so why did he get back in office?? he went to war for reasons that are very questionable and really are things going to be any better if the United States is going around the world and making war with different countrys just for the fact that it things doing this will make them safer? now there a countrys that won't just be ok with what the US is doing and that may lead to a possable WW3 not that anyone wants that to happen, all i'm saying is at the end of WW2 people agreed that countrys couldn't just go to war to solve there problems. They needed to try solving things through some kind of world organizion and that would be the UN. They cheaked through that country to see if there were weapons. They couldn't find any so what did the states do they went to war. Now things had to be done in Iraq i'm not saying things weren't bad there for it's people. but there are better ways of dealing with it and then the blame can't be put on one country. So i ask is Bush really wanted as President or was it just that people were scard of what might happen to The states if these groups weren't stoped? Was Kerry not any better? Or do people really agree with what Bush is about. What are your thoughts on this? Tell me!

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sintekk · Post by **sintekk** » Thu Nov 04, 2004 2:30 pm

Bush appealed to the massive Christian right, which paid out big time.
I also imagine the whole "SWITCHING PRESIDENTS DURING WARTIME, OH NOES!!!" scared some people into voting for him. Plus, I believe he did a better job of advertising himself as the only candidate that could protect America.

Tis a shame that 51% of the US fell for it

Going to be interesting to see what kinda damage can happen in 4 more years...

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Red Squirrel · Post by **Red Squirrel** » Thu Nov 04, 2004 2:50 pm

sintekk wrote: : Going to be interesting to see what kinda damage can happen in 4 more years...

LOL yeah it will be. Or perhaps he'll get his act together and fix everything he did in the past 4 years.

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manadren · Post by **manadren** » Thu Nov 04, 2004 3:17 pm

better watch it Red, it sounds like you're saying Bush did something wrong, and the almighty Bush is infallible, just like the Pope, except Bush has an army!

But who knows, hopefully the whole never admitting culpability thing was him worrying about his image in the face of an upcoming election, and maybe just maybe, somebody will smack some sense into him and he'll start trying to clean up this mess. I'm willing to admit that Bush is human, and that he made some rash, emotional decisions, a mistake anyone could make. The real question is what he's going to do about that. I hope he doesn't just dig us into a deeper hole, thinking he can dig us to china or something... and I think I just took that metaphor a bit too far.

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Red Squirrel · Post by **Red Squirrel** » Thu Nov 04, 2004 3:19 pm

Yeah I think the best thing he should do is finish up the iraq war. nothing else needs to be done in iraq that I know of, saddam is captured etc... What they need to do is track down al queda specificly and get all the leaders possible, concentrating on osama.

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FloodG8-9595 · Post by **FloodG8-9595** » Thu Nov 04, 2004 4:52 pm

The thing that ticks me off is that we've been under treat from terroisim for years but, we convienently ignored it until they shoved it down our throats. The fact is that Terrorism is a reality and has been for a lot longer than we've worried about it this much. (in the years before the scrolling news ticker) What do these people think we had some kind of magical barrier before sept. 11th?

Bush isn't the answer.. he's done nothing special more than be in the office at the right (wrong) time.

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Red Squirrel · Post by **Red Squirrel** » Thu Nov 04, 2004 5:01 pm

Yeah true, now the only thing is that they are "advertising" the terorism stuff way more. Heck, Canada could get a terrorist attack, we could consider ourselves on high alert if we start looking for reasons why any country would attack us, even if we made up the reasons. So that's basically what the US is doing when they move the terror alert high and low then medium etc.

Heck, didn't bush have plans to invade us? I read an article somewhere though I'm not sure how legit it was as it was simply posted on a forum with no link. It had to do with oil again but he realized he was going too far.

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Joe · Post by **Joe** » Thu Nov 04, 2004 5:39 pm

On edit, i'm glad Bush is getting a clean slate with people. You might not agree with what he did before but i'm glad your giving him a chance. It really shows...

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Red Squirrel · Post by **Red Squirrel** » Thu Nov 04, 2004 5:49 pm

Actually this is more fit for debates so I'll move it.

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Joe · Post by **Joe** » Thu Nov 04, 2004 5:55 pm

monss wrote: Now one question? I live in Canada so my feeling towards Bush is different then that of an american or anyone to that matter. But one thing i really don't like the man and i know a lot of people don't eather. yea and who are these people? so why did he get back in office?? he went to war for reasons that are very questionable and really are things going to be any better if the United States is going around the world and making war with different countrys just for the fact that it things doing this will make them safer? What countries have we gone into? now there a countrys that won't just be ok with what the US is doing and that may lead to a possable WW3 What ww3 with france, no way, with canada what will you fight with snow.not that anyone wants that to happen, all i'm saying is at the end of WW2 people agreed that countrys couldn't just go to war to solve there problems. They needed to try solving things through some kind of world organizion and that would be the UN.The UN is a bunch of American hating nut jobs, not thank you They cheaked through that country to see if there were weapons. They couldn't find any so what did the states do they went to war. Now things had to be done in Iraq i'm not saying things weren't bad there for it's people. but there are better ways of dealing with it and then the blame can't be put on one country. So i ask is Bush really wanted as President or was it just that people were scard of what might happen to The states if these groups weren't stoped? Was Kerry not any better?people still don't know what john kerry is for Or do people really agree with what Bush is about.Yes, smart people who hold there country close to there heart What are your thoughts on this? Tell me! No reason to yell and demand stuff

btw last political post for me until 08 GO RUDY!!!

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FloodG8-9595 · Post by **FloodG8-9595** » Thu Nov 04, 2004 6:12 pm

Ok let me post on the actual topic here since I only kind of grazed it. I want the Bush supporters that are here to really know what I think unmasked from sarcasam and jokes if possible.

I think that President Bush is a good man with ideas in some areas that are amazingly intelligent and well thought out. He IS despite what I may infer a very very smart person, he's also lucky but luck alone does not get you to be President of the strongest country in the world. On top of that I think that President Bush is a upstanding person who really honestly believes as much as he can of what he says. I feel that he could use some lessons on admiting mistakes not only as a man but as a leader. I want a man who is proud of having learned a lesson and moved forward not one who is not willing to admit his shortcomings. I don't think President Bush is "Presidential Material" Personally. Because of his speach demeanor not to mention his current world popularity "I'm a uniter not a divider." just dosn't add up in any way. Amoung many other reasons I feel that I've made clear already. However I do respect the office and would treat the man with respect if I met him. I wish he were a congressman or Cabinent member and not the president. If his call to unite the nation is genuine then I applaude the effort and hope that we can do just that. In my opinion I think it's time we start working on fixing the problems he created in his first term. If John Ashcroft resigns as has been thrown around on the news that'll be a good Omen for me but, I dont think Bush is the type of person who can unite people like us. I may be wrong. If things have not shaped up atleast a little in the next year or two I am considering taking a to the end of the term vacation to New Zealand with my "runnin crew".

Also let me add in closing that I respect anyones ability and right to vote and believe how they feel best. I can tell you I think that the world trend will eventually flow the way of my belief, if this will happen in my life time I can only hope.

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Joe · Post by **Joe** » Thu Nov 04, 2004 6:41 pm

Nice post.

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fragged one · Post by **fragged one** » Thu Nov 04, 2004 8:09 pm

Is Bush really the man for the job?

in short...yes. he received more electoral votes than kerry.

in less short...no. benjamin franklin said it best here:

They that can give up essential liberty to obtain a little temporary safety deserve neither liberty nor safety.

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Red Squirrel · Post by **Red Squirrel** » Thu Nov 04, 2004 9:38 pm

FloodG8-9595 wrote: Ok let me post on the actual topic here since I only kind of grazed it. I want the Bush supporters that are here to really know what I think unmasked from sarcasam and jokes if possible.

I think that President Bush is a good man with ideas in some areas that are amazingly intelligent and well thought out. He IS despite what I may infer a very very smart person, he's also lucky but luck alone does not get you to be President of the strongest country in the world. On top of that I think that President Bush is a upstanding person who really honestly believes as much as he can of what he says. I feel that he could use some lessons on admiting mistakes not only as a man but as a leader. I want a man who is proud of having learned a lesson and moved forward not one who is not willing to admit his shortcomings. I don't think President Bush is "Presidential Material" Personally. Because of his speach demeanor not to mention his current world popularity "I'm a uniter not a divider." just dosn't add up in any way. Amoung many other reasons I feel that I've made clear already. However I do respect the office and would treat the man with respect if I met him. I wish he were a congressman or Cabinent member and not the president. If his call to unite the nation is genuine then I applaude the effort and hope that we can do just that. In my opinion I think it's time we start working on fixing the problems he created in his first term. If John Ashcroft resigns as has been thrown around on the news that'll be a good Omen for me but, I dont think Bush is the type of person who can unite people like us. I may be wrong. If things have not shaped up atleast a little in the next year or two I am considering taking a to the end of the term vacation to New Zealand with my "runnin crew".

Also let me add in closing that I respect anyones ability and right to vote and believe how they feel best. I can tell you I think that the world trend will eventually flow the way of my belief, if this will happen in my life time I can only hope.

Well said, that's pretty much my opinion on him as well. He's not hitler or anything, he tries his best and like anyone else does mistakes, but he just needs to be able to admit his mistakes. I'm just curious to know what he will do this term as for homeland security and what not. It would also be nice to see him have more collaboration with us in Canada, such as drop border taxes and what not, but that's a different and low priority issue compared to the main issue now which is terrorism.

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MrSelf · Post by **MrSelf** » Fri Nov 05, 2004 12:33 am

fragged one wrote: in less short...no. benjamin franklin said it best here:
They that can give up essential liberty to obtain a little temporary safety deserve neither liberty nor safety.

+1

My big problem with bush is that he doesn't try hard enough. The patriot act and the above quote are perfect examples of a reoccuring theme; take the easy, short way out instead of working harder to put the safeguards in place, or working harder to find out about Iraq and then working harder before going in with a plan for winning in every aspect - it seems to exist in every area of his record. And the lie of omition is the weapon of choice for misinformation campaigns, it's just all very frustrating. I know he's trying, but that's not always enough. He did win however, and does deserve our support. Perhaps he will use this as a clean slate as well, I guess I'll just be an observer for a while. I have no idea what is going to happen next.

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monss · Post by **monss** » Fri Nov 05, 2004 9:09 am

Bush handled 911 ok. But that me say that the man in charge of the attacks on America is still on the run. Am i right? now can you say is Iraq is not the next Vietnam in the making? whats with this axis of evil i hear about? Iran, North Korea and Iraq. If the states trys to go in to North Korea you might have WW3 in the making. China would support North Korea maybe and every thing falls into place. Now you can't tell me the states didn't want to go into Iraq just to find "weapons" oil people it's all about the oil. Every one knows it and maybe we need it but going to war for it come on thats all i have to say on that!

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Bookworm · Post by **Bookworm** » Fri Nov 05, 2004 12:18 pm

One of the reasons we focus more attention on the Middle East than, say, Africa is because of the financial impact that oil has on us and on the rest of the world. But we didn't go into Iraq for the oil. We were hoping to use the oil money to rebuild Iraq, but we weren't planning to take it for ourselves.

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Joe · Post by **Joe** » Fri Nov 05, 2004 2:49 pm

Bookworm wrote: One of the reasons we focus more attention on the Middle East than, say, Africa is because of the financial impact that oil has on us and on the rest of the world. But we didn't go into Iraq for the oil. We were hoping to use the oil money to rebuild Iraq, but we weren't planning to take it for ourselves.

+1

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