stupid bush

Chyse · Post by **Chyse** » Sat Oct 16, 2004 3:40 pm

okay, now if any of you EVER listened to your history teachers, they would have taught you that the english, came to the americas to try to convert the native americans. they thought that the native americans were primative and had no gavernment and needed help. but no. the indians liked the way they lived. they didn't want to change. but what happens? the english try anyway. so this huge was starts and the indians are wiped out, and some english die. bad thing to do on the english's side. they should have never tried to convert the indians. they were happy the way they were. take the war in iraq. we took the talaban out. good. caputred saddam. good. try to give them a government and make them have a democracy? bad. we should not have interfiered with the government any further. we saved them from the talaban and saddam, but they are not stupid. they can do the rest on their own. we are doing just what the english did. we are trying to make them like us. bad idea. we did our part in iraq, why are we still... "helping" them? there's nothing more to help. when a country decides on a type of government, it usually takes a long time, provided that it is peaceful. but no. we want to speed it up and force them into democracy. all this will start is another war. we should stop right now before history repeats itself.

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Chyse · Post by **Chyse** » Sat Oct 16, 2004 3:48 pm

thanks tak, u rock.

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Joe · Post by **Joe** » Sat Oct 16, 2004 5:59 pm

goalguarder12 wrote: okay, now if any of you EVER listened to your history teachers, they would have taught you that the english, came to the americas to try to convert the native americans. they thought that the native americans were primative and had no gavernment and needed help. but no. the indians liked the way they lived. they didn't want to change. but what happens? the english try anyway. so this huge was starts and the indians are wiped out, and some english die. bad thing to do on the english's side. they should have never tried to convert the indians. they were happy the way they were. take the war in iraq. we took the talaban out. good. caputred saddam. good. try to give them a government and make them have a democracy? bad. we should not have interfiered with the government any further. we saved them from the talaban and saddam, but they are not stupid. they can do the rest on their own. we are doing just what the english did. we are trying to make them like us. bad idea. we did our part in iraq, why are we still... "helping" them? there's nothing more to help. when a country decides on a type of government, it usually takes a long time, provided that it is peaceful. but no. we want to speed it up and force them into democracy. all this will start is another war. we should stop right now before history repeats itself.

Actually they can't. I can understand why people think we should of never went into iraq, i get that. But now that we are there and so many troops died we must do everything we can to set up govt. and make sure a tyrant like saddam never rules that nation again. If we just leave the troops died for no reason.

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Red Squirrel · Post by **Red Squirrel** » Sat Oct 16, 2004 6:15 pm

I say they just take the oil and leave. That's what they're there for, might as well get straight to the point and end it.

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Joe · Post by **Joe** » Sat Oct 16, 2004 6:21 pm

I'm gonna need some oil for the thing in my siggy!

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MrSelf · Post by **MrSelf** » Sat Oct 16, 2004 8:44 pm

GG, I agree with you. Didn't we learn long ago that spreading democracy by the sword is a bad idea?

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Chyse · Post by **Chyse** » Sat Oct 16, 2004 9:40 pm

yes exactly. we are just making history repeat itself. i don't know about you, but i don't want a war. my teachers always tell me. they say. the reason we learn world history, is so that we do not make the same mistakes again. so we learn from our mistakes." and haven't your parents ever said to you " it's okay if u make mistakes, as long as you learn from them." yeah. so what, was that all BS? i don't think so. america should have learned from others and it's mistakes. bush can't see that. though i doubt kerry can either. the troops in iraq did not die for nothing, they died to capture saddam, and they died to dystroy the taliban. and in some cases, they died because of bush's stupidity for not leaving. but think about it. if we came in. dystroyed the taliban, caught saddam, and left, we would be considered heros. iraq would be one of our allies. the people would greatly respect us. but no. we force them into democracy. so they will hate us now. no peace, no allies. nothing. so now it kinda seems that all the other stuff was for BS.

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Joe · Post by **Joe** » Sat Oct 16, 2004 10:36 pm

Woah GG a little to much CNN for you. First of all not all iraqis hate us. Its just that the "bad" things make the news. Second of all, you say learn from history, ever heard of 911?

OK GG answer this, you say troops died to get saddam and destroy the taliban...Right. So lets say right after we get saddam and get the taliban and then boom we just go home. A year later Iraq and afganistan are back to being the dangerous country it was before we got there and a tyrant is back in power. Wouldnt those troops of died for nothing.

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Joe · Post by **Joe** » Sat Oct 16, 2004 10:39 pm

goalguarder12 wrote: yes exactly. we are just making history repeat itself. i don't know about you, but i don't want a war. my teachers always tell me. they say. the reason we learn world history, is so that we do not make the same mistakes again. so we learn from our mistakes." and haven't your parents ever said to you " it's okay if u make mistakes, as long as you learn from them." yeah. so what, was that all BS? i don't think so. america should have learned from others and it's mistakes. bush can't see that. though i doubt kerry can either. the troops in iraq did not die for nothing, they died to capture saddam, and they died to dystroy the taliban. and in some cases, they died because of bush's stupidity for not leaving. but think about it. if we came in. dystroyed the taliban, caught saddam, and left, we would be considered heros. iraq would be one of our allies. the people would greatly respect us. but no. we force them into democracy. so they will hate us now. no peace, no allies. nothing. so now it kinda seems that all the other stuff was for BS.

So what exactly is the mistake we should learn from?

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Anonymous · Post by **Anonymous** » Sun Oct 17, 2004 5:25 pm

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Chyse · Post by **Chyse** » Wed Oct 20, 2004 9:45 pm

the_big_L wrote:
goalguarder12 wrote: okay, now if any of you EVER listened to your history teachers, they would have taught you that the english, came to the americas to try to convert the native americans. they thought that the native americans were primative and had no gavernment and needed help. but no. the indians liked the way they lived. they didn't want to change. but what happens? the english try anyway. so this huge was starts and the indians are wiped out, and some english die. bad thing to do on the english's side. they should have never tried to convert the indians. they were happy the way they were. take the war in iraq. we took the talaban out. good. caputred saddam. good. try to give them a government and make them have a democracy? bad. we should not have interfiered with the government any further. we saved them from the talaban and saddam, but they are not stupid. they can do the rest on their own. we are doing just what the english did. we are trying to make them like us. bad idea. we did our part in iraq, why are we still... "helping" them? there's nothing more to help. when a country decides on a type of government, it usually takes a long time, provided that it is peaceful. but no. we want to speed it up and force them into democracy. all this will start is another war. we should stop right now before history repeats itself.

Just one question?
Do you go to school ?

yeah, how do you think i learned this

?

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