Do you like the USA?

Anonymous · Post by **Anonymous** » Thu Sep 30, 2004 3:08 pm

FloodG8-9595 wrote:
William Wallace wrote: What americans NEED to do is make a formal apology to afromericans. And I don't mean walking down the street, buying a pack of flowers and handing it to some black guy and say sorry. The president needs to do it, on Global Television, so that the while world sees it.

"but WW none of u did it lolzz"

Since America is the LEADER IN EVERYTHING, why doesn't america do something Good for a change, rather than building WMDS that could crack the crust of the earth*yes, it's a fact*, they could turn all that knowledge towards finding a cure for cancer or AIDS. In this scenario, then can be the first to apologize to black, and go down in history for it.

No offence Will but Rediculous

you want AMERICA to apologize for enslaving the African American race when no one LIVING today had ANYTHING to do with it..?...
What in the hell gives you the idea that the black americans living today Deserve*(or even want) and apology for slavery.. They wernt slaves.. hell they're parents weren't slaves and most of their grandpanrets wern't slaves.. Remember also that alot of people that make up America today are immigrants from other countries that came AFTER that all started.. some even from your holy exhaulted self interested part of the world Will. Would you still have AMERICA apologize for this?

IF germany is still apologizing to jews, you should follow suit. YES, they want an apology for slavery. Any black community will tell you that.

I think your fundamental problem is that you look for reasons to hate a country that is different from yours.

Arrogance. Do I hate Russians cos they talk funny? No.

Yeah the US has done some crappy things.. not proud of it.. but I don't take responsibility for it either.. But so has every other country in their history.. Do you remind people from England that they enslaved and ruled the Scotts every day?..

Yes.

how about getting on the Italian ancestors of the romans.. maybe we should hold them accountable for killing Christ?.. think we should jump down the Egyptians throats because the enslaved the Jews?..

Christ may not have really exist, so no. We already ARE jumping down people's throats for the jews. Desert storm....remember that?

just because it happened a long time ago doesn't mean it doesn't count.. isn't that right Will?

Yep.

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sintekk · Post by **sintekk** » Thu Sep 30, 2004 3:14 pm

William Wallace wrote:
IF germany is still apologizing to jews, you should follow suit. YES, they want an apology for slavery. Any black community will tell you that.

No slaves are still alive today, but many jewish victims are.

Christ may not have really exist, so no. We already ARE jumping down people's throats for the jews. Desert storm....remember that?
Wasn't Desert Storm because the Iraqis INVADED Kuwait? After we freed Kuwait, we didn't attack Iraq. Our only objective was to free people.

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Angel · Post by **Angel** » Thu Sep 30, 2004 3:39 pm

William Wallace wrote:
Joe wrote: That was a long time ago, the way of life was different.

Right. The first thing americans say when you talk about slavery. "THAT WAS A LONG TIME AGO" And they still celebrate thanksgiving and independance day, both holidays a long time ago and when things were different.

because that was along time ago,americans celebrate Independence day as something we're proud of do you think that we are proud of Slavery you idiot-stick???Why do people like you shove it in our face,note that it was only half of America and actually 1/4 because a major population of the south was african americans and that it was the people BACK THEN not us,duh!!!!!

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Red Squirrel · Post by **Red Squirrel** » Thu Sep 30, 2004 4:00 pm

It's pointless to diss a country because of history. Canada was not very nice back then either... I'm not sure if we had slavery but we did reject the biggest number of immegrents, which is definatly not something to be proud of. Now things are more friendly towards immigrents (I think...). or how about germany, they have lot of blood on their hands but that's so passé.

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FloodG8-9595 · Post by **FloodG8-9595** » Thu Sep 30, 2004 4:01 pm

Arrogance. Do I hate Russians cos they talk funny? No.

The ideals are different here than in Western Eruope Will and I think you know thats what I meant. You have so far done nothing but bad mouth americans with what apears to be absolutley regard for the fact that there are people like you are describing in every country..you happen to generalize those people as Americans.. I'm sorry you feel that way Will I really am. Maybe one day you'll grow up and be able to look past the nose on your own face and realize that what my country did hunderds or years ago I am not responsible for.

No slaves are still alive today, but many jewish victims are.-sintekk

preciseley correct. and there are still german Nazi officers alive to apologize for it.

Yeah the US has done some crappy things.. not proud of it.. but I don't take responsibility for it either.. But so has every other country in their history.. Do you remind people from England that they enslaved and ruled the Scotts every day?.. -Me

Yes.-Will

Then you sir are living in the past...

I don't think we went into Egypt during Desert storm Will

... were talking abuot somthing that happened 2000 or more years ago.. As far as we know the only price they paid for their insolence was what was more or less portrayed in the bible.. (and as you so eloquently pointed out) it's not possible to prove that it acutaly happened that way... It really is beside the point however because almost every ancient civilization had some sort of Slave culture would you be happy going after their ancestors?.. and Eye for an Eye prehapse thousands of years removed?..

can you not see how silly it is to not just say, "Hey look slavery sucked but, lets just move on as equals?".. can't you see how distructive the kind of uninformed crap that gets spewed in generalization of all americans?.. I guess not.. but I hold out hope.

P.S. don't misake knowlage with arrogance Will, but prehase I am arrogant.. but it's not because I'm an american nor am I arrogant in a patriotic way..

Creen Jafa!

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Angel · Post by **Angel** » Thu Sep 30, 2004 8:56 pm

i agree with red!

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Anonymous · Post by **Anonymous** » Thu Sep 30, 2004 9:44 pm

Jeeeeesus. It's like telling a brick wall to move.

Fine. If you think American pwns everone, good for you. I'm done here.

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Red Squirrel · Post by **Red Squirrel** » Thu Sep 30, 2004 10:04 pm

I was talking to a wall once, and it talked back. I was scared so I just went back to do what I was doing.

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sintekk · Post by **sintekk** » Thu Sep 30, 2004 10:09 pm

Red Squirrel wrote: I was talking to a wall once, and it talked back. I was scared so I just went back to do what I was doing.

Damn you Canadians and your legal mind-altering drugs

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Red Squirrel · Post by **Red Squirrel** » Thu Sep 30, 2004 10:30 pm

sintekk wrote:
Red Squirrel wrote: I was talking to a wall once, and it talked back. I was scared so I just went back to do what I was doing.

Damn you Canadians and your legal mind-altering drugs

The magic dragon.

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Bookworm · Post by **Bookworm** » Thu Sep 30, 2004 11:00 pm

I think we are all missing the real problem. It's the FRENCH. Yeah, they're to blame. They are weak, snobbish, vacillating, (. . .we interrupt this message to point out that these are completely unfounded generalizations and are not meant to insult, malign, offend, or impugn the character of any Frenchman or anyone associated in any way with French Resistance organizations. We now return you to your regularly scheduled message. . .) cowardly, and unfriendly. They ought to be ashamed.

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Red Squirrel · Post by **Red Squirrel** » Thu Sep 30, 2004 11:10 pm

I'm French

But I'm not one of them.

Our excuse for not going to war is because we don't have equipment. France has plenty of equipment.

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FloodG8-9595 · Post by **FloodG8-9595** » Fri Oct 01, 2004 3:45 am

William Wallace wrote: Jeeeeesus. It's like telling a brick wall to move.

Fine. If you think American pwns everone, good for you. I'm done here.

I don't think America owns anyone Will..(if thats what you meant) Except ourselves.. I can't say our government has done a good job keeping the image of this country up. in fact I KNOW the US. is CURRENTLY doing some things that I am not proud of (ex Gitmo, Abugrave, Iraq war, even considering re-electing the bafoon we have for a president). I don't want you to get the impression that I am defending this country.. because I won't do that.. We've done a lot of screwed up things in the past.. What I do want you to understand is that you cannot blanket statment everyone in the U.S... Saying things like "Americans this or Americans that" is an unfounded and ill informed way to express you opinion of the actions of our goverment. If you took the damn blinders off you probably find out that we agree on a great many things about the negitivity of the current station of the US. Frankly I'm pissed that we are where we are. In my opinon we should be a caring country who focuses on the individual a country who crushes the idealizm of the racist and hate filled world that surrounds us. Were a LONG way from it Will but I should hope that you understand that the U.S. has been around for a relitivly short period of time compared with European nations and, we went about building our culture in a differnt fashion. This allowed us to become the super power that we are.. but, to steal a line from one of my favorite TV shows "The young do not allways do as they are told".. We may be young but there are a great many wise people who live here and would have things change. People from the outside (if you truly are wise as you think) would try to incourage change in the US instead of hating what Is.

I would ask that you don't think of me as a defender of my countrys patriotism but, as someone who wants to be looked at as an individual and not as an "Arrogant American"

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Cicero · Post by **Cicero** » Fri Oct 01, 2004 8:11 am

Red Squirrel wrote: Our excuse for not going to war is because we don't have equipment. France has plenty of equipment.

Yeah icluding an Aircraft carrier that had to have the flight deck extended 5 times before anything could take off or land on it.

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FloodG8-9595 · Post by **FloodG8-9595** » Fri Oct 01, 2004 12:18 pm

Cicero wrote:
Red Squirrel wrote: Our excuse for not going to war is because we don't have equipment. France has plenty of equipment.

Yeah icluding an Aircraft carrier that had to have the flight deck extended 5 times before anything could take off or land on it.

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Anonymous · Post by **Anonymous** » Fri Oct 01, 2004 4:15 pm

FloodG8-9595 wrote: I would ask that you don't think of me as a defender of my countrys patriotism but, as someone who wants to be looked at as an individual and not as an "Arrogant American"

All right.

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FloodG8-9595 · Post by **FloodG8-9595** » Fri Oct 01, 2004 4:28 pm

William Wallace wrote:
FloodG8-9595 wrote: I would ask that you don't think of me as a defender of my countrys patriotism but, as someone who wants to be looked at as an individual and not as an "Arrogant American"

All right.

thanks

I think

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erolyn · Post by **erolyn** » Fri Oct 01, 2004 5:48 pm

sintekk wrote:
William Wallace wrote: Right. The first thing americans say when you talk about slavery.

The first thing I said was "Didn't Jefferson have a slave?"

Actually, the really funny think about that is, a lot of the big idealists after the Revolution had slaves, and they sat there talking about freedom and how slavery was techinically wrong, while owning slaves themselves. We read an article for U.S. History in which Patrick Henry says he's against slavery, but won't give up his own because it would be inconvenient. And yes, "inconvenient" was his exact word. Seems pretty goddamn hypocritcal to me.

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erolyn · Post by **erolyn** » Fri Oct 01, 2004 5:54 pm

Angel wrote:
because that was along time ago,americans celebrate Independence day as something we're proud of do you think that we are proud of Slavery you idiot-stick???Why do people like you shove it in our face,note that it was only half of America and actually 1/4 because a major population of the south was african americans and that it was the people BACK THEN not us,duh!!!!!

I think sometimes stuff like that needs to be shoved in peoples' faces, so we don't make the same mistakes over again. Like right now, I'm slightly annoyed with the Catholic Church, because from about 1000-1700 A.D. they were more evil than the Nazis. I mean, ridiculous stuff, tons of people killed, repressed, etc in the name of "god". People get mad at Islam extremists because they kill people in the name of religion, without realizing that Catholics did that for seven hundred years. I know the Catholic church and Catholicism aren't bad as a whole (I go to a Catholic school, and most of the Catholics I've met are great), but it's still something that bothers me, probably the same way slavery still bothers people.

And even though we're not responsible for the past, we are responsible for the future and making sure history doesn't repeat itself. That's my main concern.

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MrSelf · Post by **MrSelf** » Fri Oct 01, 2004 6:03 pm

erolyn wrote:
sintekk wrote:
William Wallace wrote: Right. The first thing americans say when you talk about slavery.

The first thing I said was "Didn't Jefferson have a slave?"

Actually, the really funny think about that is, a lot of the big idealists after the Revolution had slaves, and they sat there talking about freedom and how slavery was techinically wrong, while owning slaves themselves. We read an article for U.S. History in which Patrick Henry says he's against slavery, but won't give up his own because it would be inconvenient. And yes, "inconvenient" was his exact word. Seems pretty goddamn hypocritcal to me.

Yep, no one on Earth is perfect, that doesn't mean we can't, or shouldn't, take the good.

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Red Squirrel · Post by **Red Squirrel** » Fri Oct 01, 2004 6:53 pm

Cicero wrote:
Red Squirrel wrote: Our excuse for not going to war is because we don't have equipment. France has plenty of equipment.

Yeah icluding an Aircraft carrier that had to have the flight deck extended 5 times before anything could take off or land on it.

But we do have a 40 year old helicopter, so that's a pretty high tech and well advanced vehicle. The pilot better have a parachute and a can of WD-40, and duct tape though, just in case something goes wrong.

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Cicero · Post by **Cicero** » Sat Oct 02, 2004 3:00 pm

Oh yeah well we have a fleet of 40 year old helicopters.

Ladies and Gents, I draw your attention to the pride of the Irish Air Corps

I'm so embarrased

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Red Squirrel · Post by **Red Squirrel** » Sat Oct 02, 2004 4:12 pm

http://www.military.ie/aircorps/squirrel.htm
cool, it's called a Squirrel.

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Angel · Post by **Angel** » Mon Oct 04, 2004 3:25 pm

someone needs to close this thread,knowone is ever gonna agree with anyone thats why god created us all,we all have our own thoughts or opinions and we are entiteled to them and everyone right now is disrespecting everyone elses opinion and thats not right so we all need to just drop it?Agreed,cept ya'll will probley skip right over this!

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sweetness · Post by **sweetness** » Mon Oct 04, 2004 3:32 pm

i agree with angel. We need to respect all beliefs.

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